which engine should I go for.

[tony]

My response in blue!

Cezeta:
I only know what you have told me tony, you said it can be tuned to be a tourer or a racer I dont argue this. And no I have not seen it apart from in the pictures of the prototype and what camlam say they expect from it. Its also on You Tube. 30-40 bhp?
No, Nick . I said its a tour type kit but said Charlie could tune it for a more race type tune if required.

Cezeta:
I was referring to the demographics of buyers not the kits. The post I was responding to was by my brother so i know where he falls and so I know his taste in motors is not along the lines of the RB which I have test ridden at JB tuning and so has he and we both dismissed it.
we do not know on here who is your brother but telling him the super monza falls into this agressive category is just foolish after the amount of times I told you its a TOUR kit and the fact that you or no one else on here has ridden one.You are actually being misleading here.The kit is aimed at the rally/tour maket. It will deliever nice useable power..not all or nothing power that you seem to have been used to so far.

Cezeta:
So that leaves the super monza, sadly its not for me as i have a battery tray which i intend on keeping but i thought it was a good alternative to the ts1 and rb. A monza 240 was an option i considered when I tested the rb v the ts1. The battery tray was in my mind when I said about a big block gt kit or rt with a reed.
so after all your posts about the quest for torque etc you decide a battery tray is more important. I can understand keeping the bike as original as poss but you want to fit a tuned engine to it anyway. Why dont you fit use the frame with the ts1 motor in?
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Its been a while for these new kits but so what? Development takes time.Production takes time.With the super monza the development work is done ..so its now down to the production people. Also with the super monza it wasnt just a new barrel and 'we'll try a jl race on it' and oh what does a mikuni go like... It was everything designed to work together..there are some very clever ideas in there never yet applied to a lambretta. I dont think there is a kit that will deliver its power like this will on the market as long as its true to its correct specification as designed.

[cezeta]

did you get a uniform with the new thought police job tony


1. any kit can be tuned to be a touring or a race kit or somewhere in between, i would say they are all touring kits but with a twist depending on the style of motor the individual wants. unless its being built for racing and then a more balls out approach is taken at the expense of other things. the switch between tour and "race" is all in the packer plates with some kits

2. knowing who my brother is is irrelevant, 30-40 bhp is going to be in my words aggressive, its double the power than say a rapido rider is used to and will be a different beast all together. the thread owner is looking for this kind of power going by what he has said so a piston ported kit is not going to satisfy that need. again why buy a lower powered kit then try to make it do what the other kits do off the shelf. but if you like traditional motors with a clubman ect like a lot of people do then this is catered for too.

the super monza is not going to satisfy both markets so i cant see any sence in dumbing down what is potentially going to be the most powerful kit on the market. dont try and sell bras to people with no tits

3. As you know tony i have more than one scooter, they are in double figures and my next engine is going into a scooter that i dont want to do frame mods to. so i will need a kit that caters for that. simples? its nice as well to have different types of stuff. if you were to have ten wives you would not want them all the same would you?

4. its been a while being developed so what? it means i cant buy one thats all. if they are not on sale then what do i do? go for what is available and make the best of it and get on with enjoying it. mark told me about the rt 3 years ago, peter said about the new monza probably around the same time. you cant put life on hold incase the next new thing is better than the last. it will always be better other wise there is no point in developing technology.

defending the super monza against the rt kit is pointless. they are not aimed at the same requirements. the beauty of the rt kit is that it will still give power in the mid 20s with a clubman and carb through the air box. the beauty of the super monza is that it brings modern technology as found on motorbikes and a mammoth 30 - 40 bhp

I hope I answered all the questions right this time.....dont lock me in that dark room again....Im doing my best

[tony]

did you get a uniform with the new thought police job tony


1. any kit can be tuned to be a touring or a race kit or somewhere in between, i would say they are all touring kits but with a twist depending on the style of motor the individual wants. unless its being built for racing and then a more balls out approach is taken at the expense of other things. the switch between tour and "race" is all in the packer plates with some kits

2. knowing who my brother is is irrelevant, 30-40 bhp is going to be in my words aggressive, its double the power than say a rapido rider is used to and will be a different beast all together. the thread owner is looking for this kind of power going by what he has said so a piston ported kit is not going to satisfy that need. again why buy a lower powered kit then try to make it do what the other kits do off the shelf. but if you like traditional motors with a clubman ect like a lot of people do then this is catered for too.

the super monza is not going to satisfy both markets so i cant see any sence in dumbing down what is potentially going to be the most powerful kit on the market. dont try and sell bras to people with no tits

3. As you know tony i have more than one scooter, they are in double figures and my next engine is going into a scooter that i dont want to do frame mods to. so i will need a kit that caters for that. simples? its nice as well to have different types of stuff. if you were to have ten wives you would not want them all the same would you?

4. its been a while being developed so what? it means i cant buy one thats all. if they are not on sale then what do i do? go for what is available and make the best of it and get on with enjoying it. mark told me about the rt 3 years ago, peter said about the new monza probably around the same time. you cant put life on hold incase the next new thing is better than the last. it will always be better other wise there is no point in developing technology.

defending the super monza against the rt kit is pointless. they are not aimed at the same requirements. the beauty of the rt kit is that it will still give power in the mid 20s with a clubman and carb through the air box. the beauty of the super monza is that it brings modern technology as found on motorbikes and a mammoth 30 - 40 bhp

I hope I answered all the questions right this time.....dont lock me in that dark room again....Im doing my best

ok.. I'm gonna give up after this post
You wont need to tune the super monza for tour use. Its all been done. Its not a half done job. The Super Monza uses an air filter btw in one of its forms. I'd be interested to see any kit that makes mid 20's power with a box pipe as the science behind this dictates certain areas and timings. The super monza will not make 40hp in its production form as a tour engine as it is designed to give a nice spread of useable power delivered non-aggresively. FYI you will always get a nicer spread of power with a reed over a piston port due to the variable timing of the reed. You replied to your brother by banding the super monza in with the ts1 and rb. Now you may know what your brother wants but this is a public forum and anyone reading that may be turned off the super monza thinking its similar to one of those. Just because it has reed valve induction doesnt mean its gonna be feisty requiring loads of revs. Thats not in the design brief of this kit. You cannot judge something before it appears Nick. As for your "not wanting to have your bikes all the same".. indicates you are still banding the kits together. So I guess you have only ever had 'lary' reed valved motors? Anyway. thats me done on this.

[Train Driver]

First thanks to Tony for keeping my little brother entertained while Kylie is on holiday down under :bouncing: :bouncing:
Engines are a personal thing we all have different tastes and styles, mine have matured i no longer want a loud ring ding ding exhaust and a narrow power band.
I seem to talk up Mark Broadhursts products a lot but i am still using the same engine he built for me in 1996 (except for a change to 225 rapido from a Honda 205).

[tony]

First thanks to Tony for keeping my little brother entertained while Kylie is on holiday down under :bouncing: :bouncing:
Engines are a personal thing we all have different tastes and styles, mine have matured i no longer want a loud ring ding ding exhaust and a narrow power band.
I seem to talk up Mark Broadhursts products a lot but i am still using the same engine he built for me in 1996 (except for a change to 225 rapido from a Honda 205).

There has to be a fight. We can use handbags, fists or even old Ts1 barrels.

[cezeta]

preaching/brainwashing to the converted tony.

I have recommended the super monza be considered twice in this thread.

I have never never criticised it.

I have never claimed to have any knowledge on the subject and in-fact I have claimed the opposite on the first page.

I have never said it was or wasn't a touring kit.

I have never said it was a revvy kit in-fact the you tube vid makes it sound quite a low revver.

What I have said is that the rt kit is probably not what the thread starter is looking for as it sounds like he is after high power reed motor which will only be achievable with a ts1, rb or super monza.



definition of aggressive:"full of enterprise and initiative; bold and active; pushing"......no mention of revvy?

definition of non aggressive: "not given to fighting or assertiveness. unaggressive · unassertive - inclined to timidity or lack of self-confidence"



my definition of aggressive: grunty, quick to take off, no lagg in the power on take off. examples: wr450, buell (very low power and revs but grunty as buggery) triumph triples, vtr1000 or similar, big block ford chevy or chrysler v8s......no revs here?

aggressive refers to brute and muscle

if the super monza is aggressive....but well mannered then Im looking forward to a test ride.....I am anyway

but yes....I am entertained by getting a good slagging now and then

[tony]