VL6 block

[IaninDorset]

Second one to ask regarding my T5, I've got the bog standard LML reed setup in my LML Xpress engine and I see there is something called a VL6 reed block that a friend says is well smart for LML's, my engine is quite perky since I put a Simonini on it, would upping the reed block have much of a difference, I do have a brand new PX200 carb and jetting to go, would that with a VL6 make much of a difference bearing in mind its the Xpress lump aka LML's P200 (so I been told) which at the mo does a quite able 65 on the flat without thrashing (GPS and Speedo)

I'm a little cautious as I have been warned LML reeds ain't the strongest and can munch through it all in seconds when they go.

[GLscoot]

Ian
This is the VL6 reeds
http://www.sip-scootershop.com/en/produ ... _m274235k0

I don't think they fit your set up.

You can buy carbon reed petals which will be stronger than the standard LML petals. Theres also a LML forum which is very good.

Gary

[coaster]

Ian
This is the VL6 reeds
http://www.sip-scootershop.com/en/produ ... _m274235k0

I don't think they fit your set up.

You can buy carbon reed petals which will be stronger than the standard LML petals. Theres also a LML forum which is very good.

Gary

Any idea who sells the carbon LML petals? Byron on here is building an LML engine for my son and remarked on how small the reeds are so have also been thinking of an upgrade. We're going for an aftermarket 150 5 port top end so I reckon it might struggle to breath

[GLscoot]

Coaster, this is where I saw the carbon reeds. Im using the RD350 reed set up, with the MRP block and PHBH carb.
http://www.sip-scootershop.com/en/produ ... +_p2130601
Gary

[GLscoot]

Ian
This is the VL6 reeds
http://www.sip-scootershop.com/en/produ ... _m274235k0

I don't think they fit your set up.

You can buy carbon reed petals which will be stronger than the standard LML petals. Theres also a LML forum which is very good.

Gary

Any idea who sells the carbon LML petals? Byron on here is building an LML engine for my son and remarked on how small the reeds are so have also been thinking of an upgrade. We're going for an aftermarket 150 5 port top end so I reckon it might struggle to breath

The 5 port is supposed to be very good and they say it is a match to the P2, can't comment as I have not tried it. Plan on investing on one over the winter and giving it a go, make sure its the proper one, I think Tasso.co.uk is the website for all genuine LML parts.

[coaster]

Ian
This is the VL6 reeds
http://www.sip-scootershop.com/en/produ ... _m274235k0

I don't think they fit your set up.

You can buy carbon reed petals which will be stronger than the standard LML petals. Theres also a LML forum which is very good.

Gary

Any idea who sells the carbon LML petals? Byron on here is building an LML engine for my son and remarked on how small the reeds are so have also been thinking of an upgrade. We're going for an aftermarket 150 5 port top end so I reckon it might struggle to breath

The 5 port is supposed to be very good and they say it is a match to the P2, can't comment as I have not tried it. Plan on investing on one over the winter and giving it a go, make sure its the proper one, I think Tasso.co.uk is the website for all genuine LML parts.

Yes, I asked the question over on the LML site and there was a lot of opinion about the quality of the cheep 5 port kits and Tasso was mentioned but there seemed to be a lack of first hand experience and Tasso want around £130. So, bearing in mind the engine is likely to only get used in and around Ipswich I took a chance on the cheapest kit I could find on ebay, £25 for the barrel, head and piston. I saw it the other week over at Byron's and was very surprised at the quality of the iron casting. The finish on the ports would put a lot of expensive Lambretta barrels to shame. Either way, I'll report how it all turns out, £25 isn't a lot to lose

Thanks for the reed info, I'll look into it.

Cheers

Colin

[Muttley McLadd]

Polini do carbon reed material that you cut to shape.

The LML reed is a single item. It's an easy change to put a 24 mil carb on. An hour or two with the dremmel to match it all, and hack out the restrictive bar, is time well spent, as none of it lines up out of the box.

What is an Xpress engine? Have you upgeared it? 65mph must be thrashing the living daylights out of it. The standard 150 tops out (with the standard pipe) at 90km/h.
Have you changed the cheese crank?

[IaninDorset]

The Xpress was not available here in the UK, it was Adam at Vivo himself that told me I had this little gem as it has slightly better gearing and stuff but still a 150, 65 is very easily attainable since getting the Simo on it, I didn't realise but the Polini exhaust I had on it prior had a rotted out end can mount and was blowing like a tube tunnel causing terrible top end bog that nobody could diagnose It was only when the whole thing snapped in my hand that I realised I had a beeeet of a problem with the zorst as the exhaust looked perfect prior to it snapping. I drove down to WSM and back like it and it was a pig struggling to make 55 New Simo and kaboom, its been beautiful to ride, so positive since.

It does seem to bear out, one of the folks I know has a standard desrestricted 150 LML Star with the same Simo exhaust, their pullaway is slightly better in first/second but by the time I am hitting third I am passing the LML and pass with ease, I can usually toast a PX125 with a DR180 setup on their too much to their annoyance and lack of charitable pints.

I did want to put something like enhanced reeds not so much for performance but for longevity as well, the Malossi reed block is supposed to be very strong and not prone to failure hence why I was sniffing around the VL6

[Muttley McLadd]

Aren't the gears the same in all late vespas? It's just the primaries that are different, isn't it?

Have you taken the carb/reed valve off your engine? Keen to see photos of it, if it's not a regular indian set up. ie, one that that flash reed cage will sit in.

What revs is it doing at 65mph?

[IaninDorset]

Under the carb box you couldn't tell the difference between a Vespa and a LML, std 20/20 carb which Nick at SWScooters did a rebuild on for me putting in some better bits n pieces.

I've not really had much cause to go under the box so to speak other than worries of snapping reeds, its a 2011-12 engine so has the modified crank and clutch LML started putting in as there was a prob of cranks warping or snapping the big end pin altogether I heard and the clutch, well the clutch is the downside of this engine as it eats clutch cables, its quite a heavy clutch and stretches the cable considerably and in the end snaps, its eaten a few over the last 2 years and I put an adjustable lever on it as having to constantly tighten the cable got to be a pain, I have bought some airframe wire ropers to see if that alleviates the issue as clutch cables are like unknowns, they could come from a loving cable making family in Italy or chucked together by child slaves in Vietnam for all we know but compared to other Vespas I know, it still feels quite heavy and was considering putting a bearings pressure plate from SIP onto the basket to see if that lightens the load.

I might just go for the VL6 and see how it goes with the 20/20 on it, post some piccies up and see what ppl think.