The barn find of a lifetime

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Many of you will already have seen this rare model A in the latest issue of Classic Scooterist scene magazine but for those who have'nt this was the unbelievable sight which greeted Mau and I when we visited the owner last month.
I was originally put onto the scooter by another Scooterotica member Ian Campbell who had been approached by the owner. When I realised how significant the find was I immediatly contacted Mau and arranged a meeting.
This rare model A was first registered on the 10th of August 1949, which, as far as we know is the earliest known British registered Lambretta in the country. We can trace it's history back to at least 1958 when it was last used on the road by the present owners brother in law. Unfortunately the original logbook had been replaced by a duplicate in 1958 so we dont know who imported it or who the first owner was. It is possible it came into the country with another model A JYO 902 which was used for a road test in the July 1949 edition of Motor Cycle magazine, this was imported by the British/Italian trading company based in Bishopsgate London. Both machines were mark 2 versions built in 1948.
Unfortunately records concerning A and B models are very sketchy and often contradict each other. I am hopeful that more info will come to light in the near future about this very rare survivor.
As you can see it's in quite good condition despite not being looked after for the last 50 odd years, the worst problem is the handlebars which have been cut off just above the headlight. Whoever the new owner might be I'm sure that restoration will be fairly straightforward and he or she will soon have a exciting addition to their collection.
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I have just got the "Classic Scooterist" Magazine and It was a really interesting read, also great pics.

One question I would like to ask is about "the first registered scooter in the UK", the logbook is stamped 1958 but first registered in 1949, as there is no proof it was registered in the UK in 1949, how can the seller prove it was sold in the UK from new? Looking at the documents and info given it looks like it was imported then registered! (Therefore cannot be proved that it's the first registered in the UK) :(

sorry to get so anal but I really want to know more about this scoot.
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Thankyou for your interesting question regarding the model A Rui I will try to answer it for you.
Indeed the owner does not know what happened to the original log book and as the previous owner has passed away we cannot find out. However the scooter does come with a duplicate logbook issued by the local tax office in 1958 and there is a road tax disc on the scooter dated the same year. The owner thinks this is the last year it was used on the road as he can remember his brother in law telling him it broke down on the way to watch a local rugby match. It was stored in the guys shed until 1963 when the present owner aquired it. Unfortunately we do not know how long the previous owner had it on the road prior to it breaking down.
The duplicate log book shows the original registration date as the 10th of August 1949 which we are assuming is it's first registration in this country. The scooter was built in approx. mid 1948.
The Classic scootering article is not stating that the scooter is the oldest UK registered but" is it the oldest?" Records are very sketchy as to the number of model A's imported to this country, some say two others up to five. Up to press we do not know of any others first registered before August 1949, if this date is the first registration in this country. Perhaps someone who has knowledge of these things can answer this for us.
We do know that two model A's were imported through the British Italian trading company of Bishopsgate London and one was used for a road test in Motor Cycle magazine in 1949. Both machines were the mark 2 version and built around the same time.
We plan to contact the DVLA in the hope that they may be able to give us some more info on this interesting find.
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Rui, you were also concerned about the condition of the bike. Considering it's age I thought it was in pretty good nick, with the exception of the handlebars which have been cut off and will need replacing. They should present no problem for the restorer as there are a number of engineers who can bend pipe to whatever shape you require all that is needed is a pattern. I do agree that the gear and throttle parts within the bars may be difficult to find although Casa Lambretta and Tino's site do have a comprehensive list of parts available for this model. I dont have a A model parts catalogue so am unable to cross check part numbers to see what they may have.
The rest of the bike is in good condition and should present no difficult problems, however, thats just my opinion as a result of a close look whilst Mau and I were there.
I thought my thread "The barn find of a lifetime" might provoke some interesting responses with more info about A models but nobody did. I guess it's just too long ago for the majority of LCGB members!!
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Today I have written to the DVLA asking the following questions;
Does the first date of registration relate to the UK.
What area of the country does the registration relate to.
Who was the original importer.
I hope I get a reply before Christmas, at the moment there is no post being delivered or collected in my area!
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red devil wrote:Today I have written to the DVLA asking the following questions;
Does the first date of registration relate to the UK.
What area of the country does the registration relate to.
Who was the original importer.
I hope I get a reply before Christmas, at the moment there is no post being delivered or collected in my area!
Hi Frank
whats the reg number, as i have an old book of my dads, that could tell me which area its from,
Dave,
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Hello Dave, thanks for your offer of some vital info.
The registration letters are KXD.
We think this may be a London area registration, can you can confirm this.
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red devil wrote:Hello Dave, thanks for your offer of some vital info.
The registration letters are KXD.
We think this may be a London area registration, can you can confirm this.
a couple of minutes on Google found this http://www.oldclassiccar.co.uk/registrations/xd.htm

Luton apparently, July 1949 to April 1966.

Hope that helps

colin
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Thanks to you both for your offer of help and information.
Well Luton is fairly near London and the date fits as the first registration is August 1949. I'll just have to wait and see if the DVLA will turn up some more info and answer my questions.
Thanks again.

Frank.
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Hi frank
its only the last 2 letters that tell u where it was first reg,
and XD is ipswich,
Dave,
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