Dampers Snapping Studs??

[soulsurfer]

I've heard it mentioned a few times recently, mostly by one individual on a mission to discredit Sticky whilst digging a hole for himself, that there are some cases of performance dampers of European origin snapping the fork link stud. I've not seen or heard of this but wonder if there is any truth in this, and more importantly, why and has it been sorted? Rather than listen to this individual spouting, can anyone shed any light on this?

[CPH Lambretta]

From what I understand the problem has occured because the BGM dampers can be adjusted to be very hard, and when people have had them on the very hardest settings the suspension has been almost "locked out" and this has caused the weakest link (the damper studs) to break.
Someone mentioned that the hard damping was the reason for the late spanish dampers having thicker studs.
I have no first hand knowledge of any of this and have BGM dampers and have had no problems. I have only ever heard one person mention any problems of this kind on this forum.

[scootRS.com]

Has nothing to do with us and we've never seen it. We only mentioned it as a perfect example of Sticky's approach. Anyway leave that aside.

Been on the forum for 5 months:

http://scooterotica.org/forum/viewtopic ... 641#p35641

[Ian Hepworth]

MB are the UK distributor for the BGM dampers and all the ones sold in the UK have come through MB apart from some where dealers have got through the back door at BGM or before the exclusive distribution deal was done.

There are two issues here - is it the damper or is it the studs?

Is it the BGM dampers? Or is it other ones where they are dampers and shockers combined (which is too much force to put through a stud which is why Frank Sanderson came to MB for the links with M12 studs).

Whose studs are breaking? Original ones? Indian ones? MB ones? Far east ones? Ones on the bolt on lower brackets?

There are more than one supplier of disc link studs - I can honestly say I don't know of anyone contacting MB to say a damper had broken their stud or that their stud had been broken.

As a professional responsible company we are obviously genuinely interested in knowing if there is a problem.
If there is a problem then steps will be taken BUT as it stands no-one has come to MB with direct history of a problem.
There has been nothing but Chinese whispers on web forums.

If this thread brings up loads of direct evidence of studs snapping then fine, if they are MB ones they will be sorted.
If this thread brings up no evidence of studs breaking then fine, the alarmists can find something else to worry about.

[soulsurfer]

we already do a conversion for trailing links its £30.00 to put the lower pins on to italian or spanish drum links you cannot use indian links as the metal is suspect we will have a cost for the kit including pins for lower mounts and top mounts in next day or so. We also have some new links being made they are made by the same people that make MB,s links he sorted the tooling for us they have a mounting point cast in so you dont have to weld the 12mm pin on you can just bolt to a 30mm dia 30mm thick bush with a 12mm thread thats cast in. they will take any of the shocks and dampers we supply also they offer the ability to use a larger dia pin to mount the new BGM dampers if they are set to hard they can snap the 6mm stud off normal links.have a look on website http://www.lambrettainnovation.co.uk in shop sect there are sects for suspension etcthe kits for the chrome springs and mounting s are there.
ta FRANK

Ian, has this not been discussed with Frank?

BTW I'm not trying to scaremonger, just get to the bottom of it

[Ian Hepworth]

we already do a conversion for trailing links its £30.00 to put the lower pins on to italian or spanish drum links you cannot use indian links as the metal is suspect we will have a cost for the kit including pins for lower mounts and top mounts in next day or so. We also have some new links being made they are made by the same people that make MB,s links he sorted the tooling for us they have a mounting point cast in so you dont have to weld the 12mm pin on you can just bolt to a 30mm dia 30mm thick bush with a 12mm thread thats cast in. they will take any of the shocks and dampers we supply also they offer the ability to use a larger dia pin to mount the new BGM dampers if they are set to hard they can snap the 6mm stud off normal links.have a look on website http://www.lambrettainnovation.co.uk in shop sect there are sects for suspension etcthe kits for the chrome springs and mounting s are there.
ta FRANK

Ian, has this not been discussed with Frank?

BTW I'm not trying to scaremonger, just get to the bottom of it

Frank hasn't spoken to me about it. He may have mentioned it to Mark but Mark didn't say anything about it when this got brought up last week.

I didn't see that thread, contrary to popular belief I don't spend all day on web forums. I don't read everything.
Posts started by certain people and in certain sections I tend to skip.

[scootRS.com]

Soulsurfer and others, I hope you can see that we've said the same as MBD just said about "Chinese whispers" and misinformation and reading the forum or reporting a problem, after we've only had 1 single email about 1 genuine valve problem in 4 years of selling our tubeless rims.

We can't apply one standard to UK companies and another to non-UK companies, and do the latter in the most sensationalistic manner possible to scare the hell out of everyone just to see if anything ever turns up. We never said a word about Sticky before that approach began a year or so ago. We have no interest in discrediting him at all, only this recent approach to things.

I hope at some point you and some others and even Sticky will understand that.

Cheers.

I apologize for posting on this subject, Ian, and this will be the last time I ever mention it.

[soulsurfer]

Oh f@&£ off Randall, I didn't start this topic for you to use it as a platform to carry on your points from another thread. You're becoming a virus

There is also a vast difference in MB's approach and yours when there is problem and please don't be deluded into comparing yourself to MB.

[byron]

to get back OT...
damper stud damage mentioned on this thread

[Ian Hepworth]

Has nothing to do with us and we've never seen it.

You don't make or sell damper studs then?