FOXHAT 260's

[tony]

Nah rubbish. I tell you what, put Charlie or Ryan on it and they'd wipe the floor with me.
I'm hoping Ryan comes back out on a scoot next year cos I wanna try stay with him.(I know how hard Charlie is to catch already!) I've only managed 3 1/2 meets this year so I hope to improve my riding next year. With that motor I've had to change how I ride too. I'll try learn it better. Need more track time tbh. But cheers for the comments.

[cezeta]

i agree jims, total pain in the ass on the road and even a race scooter isnt fast compared to most other road vehicles.
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Nick, believe me.. race scooters are incredibly fast. I dont know what other road vehicles you mean but from that statement I think you need to see what a race bike can do. Come along next year mate and spend some time watching.

nissan micras, vauxhall corsas.......no, sport orientated vehicles. i rode a vtr1000 recently......actualy no i didnt i sat on it as it was going along i know its not fair to compair with scooters but some of my pals ride so fast my eyesight cant keep up. i will not ever ride with them its scary

my point was only that people should stop polishing their pride and ride something more enjoyable on the road. there will always be someone faster and scooters struggling to make 30bhp which is only the power of a early 90s kdx220 out of the showroom is easily beaten on the road by modern machinary.

where credit is due though is the riding skill, my hat goes off to you all.


ps. poor sugarlump is struggling with his smally after riding his suzuki bandit for six months. "fast" is relative. the basic commuter bike has 6x more power and sits at 120mph, handles better and stops. but in comparison to big bikes its as wet as a brid scooter rally.

[Adspeed]

B Adspeed Gate!!

I can be a tw@7 as the guys that know me have said!! Thanks chaps But theres usually a meaning behind it.

I found the 'Approved' requirements a little strange, and just genuinely want to see what the FOXHAT boys doo, not to try trip them up or show them up just looking forward to seeing what they can do. It was a big sell though But we've got things moved on and looking forward to seeing whats as a result of me being a little bit of a tw@7.

I will always post the results of my dicking about.....Highs and Lows!!

Having said that my TS has lost spark the night before the YSA doo which makes me want to sell the feckin lot!!, which might just happen!! Now weres that Triumph dealers number........

[cezeta]

your humility is a big part of your charm tony,
i,d personally love to be a passenger on your machine,as would many mortals........but we could not make it do the things you do matey..

i would nt......theres no back rest

[J1MS]

The race track has always been a good proving ground for race track tuned engines & new kits, but the race track is also one of the major limiting factor's of road tuned scooters.!!!

J1MS.. i'm con-fus-ed!?
Do you mean that road people want 'race tuned' scoots for the road and find them too peaky?

What I was trying to put over is the limits within which the scooters are tuned for track, so kits seem to be produced that stay within these limits to satisfy the rules...

If I remember rightly, standard stud spacing must be used by track scooters to comply with the rules maybe that's why all AFs kits are standard stud spacing, If the top tuners in group 4 had always been allowed to use non standard stud spacing with converted high performance cylinders, then how many kits now would be out there for road based on track developed technology with decent transfer areas, possibly using short bolts onto modified casings As dactec do. but the rules dictated since long ago that only standard stud spacing can be used on a standard group 4 or group 3 scooter with no welding to the case, group 4 is where most of the early development has been done towards tuning for road going scooters and continues today... The development that could already have been done in my opinion is being held back a little.

Why not move the goal posts, and have a "special" standard group 3+4 class where anything goes, but it has to be full bodied Maybe limit the maximum BHP or the maximum cc. But what is then developed on the track can as usual be adapted and sold for the road.

I don't think there is a class open to a Dactec engined scooter in a BSSO scooter racing event but if it can be made to fit into a standard bodied Lambretta why not give it a class to race in, if there was a "Special standard class" then maybe other kits might be developed and then sold in numbers for road use... Possibly a road going kit that makes 30bhp loads of torque and reliable, that dosnt cost a new piston every time you run onto reserve.

[tony]

@ Nick Cezeta firstly..
The race bikes mate are much much lighter dont forget. Its power to weight. That Edmonds machine has to be knocking on the door of 40hp or just under. Serously Nick please come along. These bikes produce AVERAGE speeds of 72mph at ciruits like mallory and that has a first gear hairpin in it with a chicane straight after..the Norton Manx 500s are only slightly quicker (they do average 76). Have a look here to see how quick scooters are (event 23)
Scooters page 51 for example.. http://www.theresults.co.uk/theresults/ ... C_0413.pdf

[tony]

and for J1MS...
I think there has to be a cap somewhere. I think the stud spacing 'cap' is a good thing because without we'd have all manner of machines entering. Remember this is a race series and the rules are there to provide a standard to which we have to adhere to, something to build/tune to. If we start grafting bike barrels on where does it stop? This debate raged on the bsso forum for a while. One of the points raised was that at present we race with the Vmcc. They have much respect for us because of where we are with scooter tuning and racing. I think we may lose that respect if we start racing with motorcycle kits..we will lose our identity maybe. At present the scoots are fast enough...powerful enough to provide good racing that looks fast to the public.
The Dac boys had the offer to practise their machine last year pre season at mallory. I dont know of the situation this year.. maybe it still stands? (paul?) but there were other concerns with the dac motor that were voiced on the bsso forum. From my personal point of view the dac would not romp away at the front if it was in a full bodied gp as the current race bikes are so quick... but that remains to be seen. In terms of development..well hats off to Dac as they have developed this machine already and without the track time.

[mark]

The Dac boys had the offer to practise their machine last year pre season at mallory.

the people asking were not DACTEK but DACTEK customers who were very excited bout their bike,they still havent finished the build of it .
DACTEK are not interested in racing their machines as they are built to be a very fast touring bike , 3 bikes have been delivered and the customers are very happy with them admittedly there have been a few teething problems but they are sorted now .2 more bikes are being finished as i type this (inc mine).i have had a close involvement with this project but am not connected to it tho.
just thought i needed to clarify this point that tony made

[Juan]

B Adspeed Gate!!

I can be a tw@7 as the guys that know me have said!! Thanks chaps

[tony]

Mark.. yes you are right. I remember now. If you wanted to test it at Mallory preseason then speak to Paul I reckon.