TV200 frame

[Mr G in NYC]

TV200 frame , has anyone here ever seen a very late
1965 TV200 frame with an IGM number ??

I was given to believe that all TV200 frames had no
IGM number .

cheers and Merry Xmas to all at Scoot Erotic.

G.

[bristolmod]

only fake ones I'm afraid!

There may be some "authentic" IGM'd TV200 frames but I've never seen one.

[bristolmod]

following on......a lot of frames/ bikes were "doctored" in the 1970's and 1980's whereby the number plates were switched just to match the log books- nobody paid much attention to frame numbers and even less to IGM numbers!

Again, when the Authorities got wiser to what was going on and checks became more involved, people started restamping frames to match the log books..............BUT, in many cases people did not appreciate that IGM numbers were model specific (i.e. a TV175 S3 IGM differs from an LI S3 one) therefore there were a lot a scooters about with what appeared authentic frame numbers but wrong IGM numbers.

With TV200, this was produced for foreign markets and not the Italian market, and as such, did not require an IGM stamp, so quite why there are TV200's out there with IGM's I just don't know- there was a case raised some years back with a TV200 with an IGM, and the IGM was traced to a model of, I believe, a Masserati.

Because TV200 is such a desirable machine, it is therefore prone to faking- there does also appear to be an inordinate number of "non chrome ring" TV200's out there- which doesn't add up in my book, as the dropping of the chrome ring happened very late in TV200's production run.

Please don't take this the wrong way- I'm not saying that there has never been an IGM on a TV200 frame; its just I've never seen one and nobody to my knowledge has ever proved there were some. The same with non chrome ring TV200's- the're not all "fakes" there just seems to be a lot of them about......

Chris

[Doom Patrol]

There are a lot of fakes out there, full stop!

[bristolmod]

Yes- not just "lookalikes" which are advertised as so, but out and out fakes (restamped/ welded in numbers etc etc)- and people have paid "TV200" money for LI125 S3's.

Caveat Emptor and all that

Chris

[FATBLOKE]

What about the NOS TV 200 frame log book and engine case listed on eBay, if its NOS will it have a frame number at all?

[Doom Patrol]

Good question. Have you got a link to it?

[bristolmod]

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/LAMBRETTA-TV2 ... 4abf8fc551

Good point! As I read that ad, its basically a NOS blank frame together with a log book relating to a 1964 TV200 showing a frame number. I don't know if the frame has a number stamped on it or not.

Replacement frames were available from the Authorised Dealers way back in the 1960's and as I recall, these were supplied WITHOUT frame numbers on and were used to replace bent/ damaged frames. The numbers were simply transposed from the old to the new and this was, I believe, acceptable to the Licencing Authorities at the time.

I don't know, however, if these frames had any stamps on them at all by way of IGM numbers- why should they? Basically any S3 frame is the same as any other S3 frame apart from the stamping.

So if that ebay package gets sold, can the buyer stamp up the blank frame (assuming it is blank) with the details from the old log book, and have in effect a TV200 frame and matching old style log book?

Don't know!

Chris

[badal1965]

Unless the frame has the factory model and frame number then it's a series 3 type frame and worth less in reality than a factory stamped Li 125 frame.Dressing it up as a GT makes it no more a GT than a P range.It never left Croydon as a GT so what makes it one 50 years later?
:freak: Apart from some money grabbing crooksta looking for easy bread in the Lambretta goldrush.

[shocky]

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/LAMBRETTA-TV2 ... 4abf8fc551

Good point! As I read that ad, its basically a NOS blank frame together with a log book relating to a 1964 TV200 showing a frame number. I don't know if the frame has a number stamped on it or not.

Replacement frames were available from the Authorised Dealers way back in the 1960's and as I recall, these were supplied WITHOUT frame numbers on and were used to replace bent/ damaged frames. The numbers were simply transposed from the old to the new and this was, I believe, acceptable to the Licencing Authorities at the time.

I don't know, however, if these frames had any stamps on them at all by way of IGM numbers- why should they? Basically any S3 frame is the same as any other S3 frame apart from the stamping.

So if that ebay package gets sold, can the buyer stamp up the blank frame (assuming it is blank) with the details from the old log book, and have in effect a TV200 frame and matching old style log book?

Don't know!

Chris

Authorised dealer is the key here as there are no authorised dealers now it cant be done and if it could it would nee to be examined by a competent engineers after a full rebuild the same way cars are when they are reshelled and re MOT,D