Super Monza!

[drunkmunkey6969]

....hand built by Charlie

Built, by Charlie. Using his hands!!??

I just meant as opposed to buying a bunch of parts from cam-lam and building it himself (still with his hands...and sometimes spanners!).

[soulsurfer]

But were the TS1's ridden there & back like the SM?

Why wouldn't they? Those lads have covered thousands of miles on their TS1s.....

Just asking as I understand the SM was ridden there and back, but I don't know whether the TS's were set up for the track or road.

[mnpes]

Would love to have that kinda wonga to give Darren Scott of DSC
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Please Build me Crankcase Induction Ts Darren ~ Money No Object

(You Had A Taster Of One He Did On The Forum)

Think About It

Touring @ 80-90 Pulling 4.00 Gearing ~ Ticking Over @ 7000rpm ~ Reality :bouncing:

Yes Please

[nelson pk]

I think thats where the super monza is coming from. Final drive ratio is approx 4.4 and from what i understand revs up to 8 - 8500rpm so yes if you did have a peaky ts1 or rb it would go past it for a while at say 50mph but its going to pull into headwinds and up hills very nicely indeed and cruise at high speed very nicely.
Now if you geared it at say 4.8 final drive i wonder what would happen to the peaky TS1's or RB's that tried to pass you
mmmmmm...........
Dont know the actual bike that we are talking about but from what i understand about the kit, even if you put the close ratio box in your final drive is best set to 4.4, 4.6 for touring.

[mnpes]

I think thats where the super monza is coming from. Final drive ratio is approx 4.4 and from what i understand revs up to 8 - 8500rpm so yes if you did have a peaky ts1 or rb it would go past it for a while at say 50mph but its going to pull into headwinds and up hills very nicely indeed and cruise at high speed very nicely.
Now if you geared it at say 4.8 final drive i wonder what would happen to the peaky TS1's or RB's that tried to pass you
mmmmmm...........
Dont know the actual bike that we are talking about but from what i understand about the kit, even if you put the close ratio box in your final drive is best set to 4.4, 4.6 for touring.

Darren Scott and Mossy converted a ts kit into crankcase induction set-up
Its been on the Dyno @ Scooterotica
With some pretty extraordinary results
The lambretta this is fitted into is quite remarkable
Top-end wise and the hills n winds dont bother it like any other set-up
Without the cost of the super monza
Reliability ~ This bike does the majority of uk and european rallies
Proving in the right hands the ts as still more to offer @ less wonga

[soulsurfer]

The TS1 does have more life in it, but I'm doubtfull it will have the same characteristics as the Super Monza, do you have a graph? You'd still need a strong bottom and top end plus the cost of the kit, a pipe and carb and factor in the tuning work (how much is this?), factor in all the set up/dyno costs and I might be wrong, but I bet they're not worlds apart.

[mnpes]

The TS1 does have more life in it, but I'm doubtfull it will have the same characteristics as the Super Monza, do you have a graph? You'd still need a strong bottom and top end plus the cost of the kit, a pipe and carb and factor in the tuning work (how much is this?), factor in all the set up/dyno costs and I might be wrong, but I bet they're not worlds apart.

All my chatter about ts"s ~ I went off track ~ We were on about Charlies hands
Big Wonga and oooommmpphhh

Will the S-Monza live up to what the ts as and done for Scootering for the last few decades
Let"s see in the 2030 Scooterotica forum

[nelson pk]

Will the Super Monza have the same impact on the scooter scene as the TS1?
Of course not! I'm not slagging the TS1. It is a great kit!
When the TS1 came out lammy owners were stuck with no choice apart from piston port iron cylinders. This is why theTS changed lammy tuning in a big way.
But lets face it, to get 30bhp from a ts1 its got to be a mega tune, costing around the same with carb, exhuast, reliable ignition, mega crank. Six plate clutch etc and most tunes like this can end up very peaky!
Also your matching this exhaust with this carb etc all not necassarily intended to work together.
It's nevee going to replace the TS1, its a different animal.

[soulsurfer]

The TS1 does have more life in it, but I'm doubtfull it will have the same characteristics as the Super Monza, do you have a graph? You'd still need a strong bottom and top end plus the cost of the kit, a pipe and carb and factor in the tuning work (how much is this?), factor in all the set up/dyno costs and I might be wrong, but I bet they're not worlds apart.

All my chatter about ts"s ~ I went off track ~ We were on about Charlies hands
Big Wonga and oooommmpphhh

Will the S-Monza live up to what the ts as and done for Scootering for the last few decades
Let"s see in the 2030 Scooterotica forum

You changed your reply since I read it last

Comparison is to be expected, but I think this is a different beast to anything else out there. From the information given, you could plot the dyno curve, I've seen the torque graph and I've never seen anything close to it, even with some of the exotic motor's graphs shown on here, as good as they are.

[Powolotti]

i bought TS 225 # 35 in 1986. In the leaflet it said that it will only work with a anal powerjet carb and a Fresco pipe. Well...thinking the same with SM now, the day a 30mil dellshitto will outflow a Keihin or Mikuni or have better power at any part of the rev range I´ll bow and salute.
Also regarding TS tuning...we have moved on and we´re not in the mid nineties. Having a 30 hp TS Kit is not magic or big pockets now and don´t give you a tight powerband. The SM will work out of the box and have great torque as they say and i believe this, but i doubt it will be THE bombshell.