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special runs better with choke on.

Posted: Fri Feb 08, 2013 11:21 pm
by Boothy_the_makem
As mentioned in my drunken ramblings last night :D

sorted the gp today. changed ht lead and it solved the none starting issue. still cutting out so swopped the fairly new plug for a new one and runs sweet now :)


Took the special out for a run. filled up with petrol at an esso garage and it started to run rough but fine on choke ????

Poor petrol do ya reckon ????

Re: special runs better with choke on.

Posted: Fri Feb 08, 2013 11:33 pm
by carlos fandango
What was it like before you filled up ?
Could be the weather ? Do you normally use it in warmer months ? cold air ( is denser) has more air, so you may be running weak ?
Or it may be s**t petrol ?

Re: special runs better with choke on.

Posted: Sat Feb 09, 2013 12:39 am
by Boothy_the_makem
carlos fandango wrote:What was it like before you filled up ?
Could be the weather ? Do you normally use it in warmer months ? cold air ( is denser) has more air, so you may be running weak ?
Or it may be s**t petrol ?

Yeah seems like weak running.
Its only done 53 miles since full build . I did 7 mile today. Was fine before the fill up. Started second kick . Tick over nice when warm.

It was ok from the garage to me next destination down the road but on start up it was struggling.Choke on and was fine.

I will give it a run tomorrow and have a tinker .

Re: special runs better with choke on.

Posted: Sat Feb 09, 2013 10:53 am
by nelson pk
Yep, running weak somewhere. AIr leak or too lean jetting in the cold weather?
If you have only run the choke for a short time its worth checking your fuel supply as it could be a starvation issue (blocked tap/carb filter) as well.

Re: special runs better with choke on.

Posted: Sat Feb 09, 2013 4:47 pm
by Boothy_the_makem
Had a quick look today (its p!ssing down so just climbed over the vespa to get at it :) )
Wouldnt start after a few kicks so give it some throttle and fired up which i spose would point again to weak fuel but seemed to run fine with choke OFF and rough when choke on ?? :)


So i will try same process as gp. clean carb. tap. ht lead. plug. etc

wondering if another dodgy plug ??

A mate had trouble with ts1 . Wouldnt run at all . changed and checked everything inc cdi etc and FIVE new plugs. i gave him the plug off my gp at the time knowing mine was fine and hey presto.

he still has that plug in. i fitted a new one in gp and fooked in less than 100 miles :(

Re: special runs better with choke on.

Posted: Sat Feb 09, 2013 5:18 pm
by carlos fandango
Ngk ? I never have much luck with ngks i always us champion , not as easy to get as ngk so when i see them i buy a few.Ngks seem to give up all of a sudden, champions seem to go on and on. Having said that i know a fee people who use ngks with no probs ?

Re: special runs better with choke on.

Posted: Sat Feb 09, 2013 7:49 pm
by Boothy_the_makem
Yes ngk :(

To add to the plot a mate called round today . said 5 of them went on a run last year. all filled up at that station and ALL broke down :(

What is the equivalent champion plugs for the ngk 7's and 8's ?

Re: special runs better with choke on.

Posted: Sat Feb 09, 2013 8:08 pm
by roy64
had loads of bother with plugs early last year ngk/nippon changed to champion n3c on me ts1 had no hick ups since

Re: special runs better with choke on.

Posted: Sat Feb 09, 2013 8:53 pm
by Boothy_the_makem
roy64 wrote:had loads of bother with plugs early last year ngk/nippon changed to champion n3c on me ts1 had no hick ups since

Yeah i had trouble the other year with my volvo running rough. priced up ngk and champion plugs at motorworld and was upwards from 30 odd quid.
As there is a volvo dealer just up the road i went to see what they were supplying and fitting.
Lad in the stores said they had been using mainstream plugs but werent lasting between services so changed to volvo plugs.

£25 for 5 :) and lasted well touch wood .

Ok these plugs must surely be made by one of the plug manufactures and stamped volvo. But they look different from general ones . seem to last longer and cost less :)

Re: special runs better with choke on.

Posted: Sat Feb 09, 2013 11:34 pm
by carlos fandango
Boothy_the_makem wrote:Yes ngk :(

To add to the plot a mate called round today . said 5 of them went on a run last year. all filled up at that station and ALL broke down :(

What is the equivalent champion plugs for the ngk 7's and 8's ?
The heat range on champion goes the opposite way to ngk
NGK lower number is a hotter plug ..Champion lower number is a colder plug

A b8es is equivalent to a N3
if you take away the plug number away from 11 it will give you the other make equivalent
So an NGK B7 is eq. to champion N4 :D ( this method dosent work for the entire range but does for the common lammy plugs ) ;)

But i use a N3 in all my engines with no problems Std 200 to RB240 :D
Russ