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Gudgeon pin wear ?
Posted: Wed May 23, 2012 6:02 pm
by bizzly
A friend of mine decided to strip his top end down after hearing an unusual clattering in the barrel area. There was quite a bit of play on the piston / gudgeon pin area, so thought his little end bearings had gone kaput......After some grunting and hammering, we managed to get the pin out and noticed the wear on it. I have never seen wear like this, so thought I would ask on here as to why it would happen.
Cheers
Bizz

Re: Gudgeon pin wear ?
Posted: Wed May 23, 2012 6:08 pm
by joespeed
i think i have the answer;- it was made in scunny using scunny steel!
sorry couldn't resist that! come over to selby this saturday i'll give you a new one,
regards
joe
Re: Gudgeon pin wear ?
Posted: Wed May 23, 2012 6:11 pm
by bizzly
joespeed wrote:i think i have the answer;- it was made in scunny using scunny steel!
sorry couldn't resist that! come over to selby this saturday i'll give you a new one,
regards
joe
LMAO

Its been in 4 year without a checkup

Re: Gudgeon pin wear ?
Posted: Wed May 23, 2012 10:02 pm
by camel
was there lubrication holes in the piston?
Re: Gudgeon pin wear ?
Posted: Wed May 23, 2012 11:34 pm
by bizzly
camel wrote:was there lubrication holes in the piston?
No....rapido I think

Asso piston, 2 holes in rod to small end bearing.
Re: Gudgeon pin wear ?
Posted: Thu May 24, 2012 9:58 am
by nelson pk
Is it run on decent oil and at what ratio?
Re: Gudgeon pin wear ?
Posted: Thu May 24, 2012 10:02 am
by nelson pk
Also, what sort of quality was the small end? Was a 20mm small end fitted when it needed a 22m? (length of small end between piston not diameter).
Re: Gudgeon pin wear ?
Posted: Thu May 24, 2012 12:18 pm
by bizzly
nelson pk wrote:Also, what sort of quality was the small end? Was a 20mm small end fitted when it needed a 22m? (length of small end between piston not diameter).
He's not sure what make the small end bearing is, as he put it in about 4 year ago, but the roller bearing was the same width as the small end on crank. He also uses Rock oil fully synthetic at 4%.
Re: Gudgeon pin wear ?
Posted: Thu May 24, 2012 6:36 pm
by nelson pk
If the piston has got a 22mm gap or very slightly over between where the small end fits, a lot of tuners advise the use of a 22mm long small end regardless of weather this pokes out a bit either end on the eye of the rod because if you use a shorter small end, the small end can move along the gudgeon pin and then only a proportion of the conrod eye is making contact with the small end if you see what i mean, and therefore you are getting uneven pressure on approx half of the bearing.
I would measure the gap where the conrod sits on the piston and if its 22mm or very slightly over get a 22mm long bearing. MBD used to do them and camb lam do them as well. I think they come out of a Yamaha but i dont know which one.
Re: Gudgeon pin wear ?
Posted: Thu May 24, 2012 7:01 pm
by bizzly
Thanks nelson

much appreciated