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ring breaker barrels

Posted: Fri Jul 23, 2010 10:36 pm
by a.lo
further to a recent topic on these and the recent interest in torquey chuggers i compared the ports on a barrel i suspected was a tv of some sort to some info on here and lo and behold i think it is the fabled object.
untouched transfers
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untouched inlet
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no identifycasting[no cutouts in top fin
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and to top it , all fins intact.
the problem is this
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as if to prove its provenance this barrel has suffered broken exhaust fixings and ring breakage the latter can be sorted , rebore to 68mm (210) but is there any fix for the flange. it has previously had a braze repair the remains of which can be seen to the left of picture any help apperiated , i have a couple of tv 200 gearboxes and i need a barrel to pull them. :| messd up with the pictures ,ill try again. :roll:
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Re: ring breaker barrels

Posted: Sat Jul 24, 2010 12:00 am
by a.lo
at last you should be seeing some pictures :roll: , beer does not help :oops: heard it is difficult to weld cast iron. would another braze repair be possible to hold insert/helicoil?

Re: ring breaker barrels

Posted: Sat Jul 24, 2010 8:05 pm
by coaster
If that is a genuine 'ring breaker' i.e. early TV200 then you will need to have it bored to 72mm (225cc) to overcome the ring breaking tendancy, not sure if 210 would be enough :?

Re: ring breaker barrels

Posted: Sun Jul 25, 2010 11:15 am
by shocky
i would braze that up (make sure its very clean first) then id timesert it or helicoil

Re: ring breaker barrels

Posted: Sun Jul 25, 2010 11:20 am
by soullad
Also depends on the sort of exhaust you intend to fit. Those with the short stubby manifolds common with expansion systems will exert less stress on the repair than the clubman sort which have a longer heavier manifold.

Re: ring breaker barrels

Posted: Mon Jul 26, 2010 11:26 am
by Captain Chaos
70mm for 225 with a 58mm stroke crank......

72mm may leave you with a pile of fins on the floor....

Re: ring breaker barrels

Posted: Mon Jul 26, 2010 1:53 pm
by coaster
Captain Chaos wrote:70mm for 225 with a 58mm stroke crank......

72mm may leave you with a pile of fins on the floor....
Thanks for the correction Jon 8-)

Re: ring breaker barrels

Posted: Mon Jul 26, 2010 10:59 pm
by a.lo
its just i never had much luck with my old cast 225 in the 80's, constant seizeing, so was trying to just bore enough to eliminate the gouges and use a better piston(mb) could those rings cope?

Re: ring breaker barrels

Posted: Mon Jul 26, 2010 11:00 pm
by a.lo
p.s can i bra?ze with a standard gas blow torch

Re: ring breaker barrels

Posted: Tue Jul 27, 2010 7:22 am
by shocky
not on a cylinder it would take ages to get hot enough it needs localised hot heat brazing my distort the cylinder slightly as well infact and excessive heat may cause problems with the bore
the whole cylinder will need to be preheated slowly to say 200 deg then the repair maid and the cylinder cooled very slowly normal under a thermal blanket