FOXHAT 260's

[cezeta]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FfMUwCKtWMI

[Adspeed]

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[Adspeed]

Yes, I'd love to know more about their work, in the same way as I would love to know more about Mark Broadhurst's stuff and dyno results from him, or JB or some other top tuners. It's interesting, in that context, that no-one seems to have kicked off about the fact that MBD's Racetour kits have no dyno results on its website. Or anywhere else that I've seen. Or, as someone mentioned, for AF's RB kist on its own site. Or for the Targa Twin. Or the Casa 185/210 kits. And so on....

You have a point about the way the original Foxhat ad / thread was hyped & worded which is probably what caught Adspeeds attention in the 1st place. However I've not read on any other tuners website anything quite as bold or, dare I say it, potentially overstated as the Foxhat motors.
There was a dyno sheet knocking about for one of the MB kits that was fitted to Mouse's scoot though and Adspeed posted the graph from his own tuned 190 which at close on 20bhp was f@@king impressive as far as I'm concerned.

Thanks Stokie and Special X, I always post my graphs. I do use the dyno all the time its the only real way to compare IMO, of course help set up but its not the same as on the road. Just posted a lightly tuned TS tourer that I did and think it was one of the FOXHAT'ers that asked for it posting. Its no record breaker but I posted it.

Anyhow thanks to one of the forum users we are going to be luckily enough to see the lads work on a dyno sheet, and no twiddling with the dyno setup Dan . I know it may come across as only me pushing to see these graphs but there are lots of people looking forward to seeing them.

[Nic]

Yes, I'd love to know more about their work, in the same way as I would love to know more about Mark Broadhurst's stuff and dyno results from him, or JB or some other top tuners. It's interesting, in that context, that no-one seems to have kicked off about the fact that MBD's Racetour kits have no dyno results on its website. Or anywhere else that I've seen. Or, as someone mentioned, for AF's RB kist on its own site. Or for the Targa Twin. Or the Casa 185/210 kits. And so on....

You have a point about the way the original Foxhat ad / thread was hyped & worded which is probably what caught Adspeeds attention in the 1st place. However I've not read on any other tuners website anything quite as bold or, dare I say it, potentially overstated as the Foxhat motors.
There was a dyno sheet knocking about for one of the MB kits that was fitted to Mouse's scoot though and Adspeed posted the graph from his own tuned 190 which at close on 20bhp was f@@king impressive as far as I'm concerned.

Fair point Stokie.

It strikes me though that like most tuners Mark B tends to let his kits (and his customers, including Mouse) speak for themselves. Yet over the past 10-15 years - and virtually 1,700 tuned cylinders later - I've probably only seen a dozen or two dyno readings of his engines, maybe not even that. Most of the remarks and recommendations you tend to hear about are word-of-mouth, or indirect references when you see a write-up in Scootering magazine. It's taken Mark years to get to that stage.

What that suggests to me is that, overwhelmingly, most people can't be ar5ed to have their engines dynoed or if they do, to post the details on here or anywhere else. They just ride their scooters, end of. If the ratio of engines built to dyno sessions and then to posts on here is that great for MBD, we shouldn't be too surprised if Foxhat's tuning results don't get talked about on here as much either.

As a complete sidebar, I've just had an engine built by John Balcombe in Southend (using an old cast iron Ralph Saxelby 225 barrel) and have dyno readings for it which are damn impressive, not so much in terms of bhp, more its stump-pulling ft-lbs of torque. I have ridden one of John's demonstrators and did a (very) quick 100-mile ride on a mate's JB-tuned TS1. Truly amazing: JB and Dean are superb engine builders. But I won't put anything up on here until the scooter's finished and the engine's done at least 1,000 miles and any niggles ironed out. Maybe that's what some Foxhat customers are like too?

[gadgetman]

This comes down to the fact that if a commercial /for profit outfit makes claims about their work and then when challenged cannot or will not back up those claims then it's quite obvious to any right minded person that the original hype has no substance, and all this about why should they is b****cks. If the boasts were true they would fall over themselves to show the proof just as any other tuning firm would .

[tony]

I think the hp figure is a big selling point for any tuner. (In fact torque is just as if not more important to see how a motor really performs.) Most tuners websites or adverts have reference (and rightly so if they know their beans) to power output, and what they can do for you etc. Tuning/hi performance is their business after all. I understand the point about how motors speak for themselves but this is a fairly large uk market here and If tuning was my business and I had no other way of 'showing off' my work in the advertising sense other than word of mouth then I would look at websites and dyno graphs and power outputs.

[Juan]

I don't care about alleged high power 'Bretta motors from York who stole their name from a p155 poor advert featuring some Redneck. I say ban Adam, he's a tw@7.

[tony]

Boss... please check my earlier posts on B-adspeed..

[joespeed]

there are some of the better tuners who do not boast about hp figures or mph those who use these will tell you themselves about the scooters they have done for them,these tuners play by ear !
the 'dont knock it till youve tried it 'saying seems to ring a bell,or 'good things come to those who wait'!
keep smiling
regards
joe

[Ian Hepworth]

I think the hp figure is a big selling point for any tuner. (In fact torque is just as if not more important to see how a motor really performs.) Most tuners websites or adverts have reference (and rightly so if they know their beans) to power output, and what they can do for you etc. Tuning/hi performance is their business after all. I understand the point about how motors speak for themselves but this is a fairly large uk market here and If tuning was my business and I had no other way of 'showing off' my work in the advertising sense other than word of mouth then I would look at websites and dyno graphs and power outputs.

I don't think most people understand a dyno graph so using them as a sales method is of limited use.
Dyno graphs with speed along the bottom are pretty much useless and create the "it pulled 129 mph on the dyno" which makes you want to say "do you often only ride on the flat in a vacuum with no wind resistance".
Dyno graphs with no scales at all (the famous AF RB one) are utterly useless.

The HP figure is sadly all most people understand, high HP is great for the track where you change the gearing and pipe to suit the track but your average scooterist with Mrs on the back and half a ton of luggage needs torque. High HP for the road is good but it's got to be useable. If an engine is kicking in at 8k it's not going to nice to ride on the road.

If you compare it to buying a computer, you might see a chart showing that this machine is 4 times faster than so and so but all you really want to know is will it let you burn a cd while you are typing a letter with something downloading in the background - i.e. you want the reassurance that it will do what you want it to.