Scooterotica

Wow......people are now writing how telephone conversations may or may not have gone. Even though Ron said no conversations had taken place. Seems some of us are now tabloid journalists.

If a guy spends a lot of money and time developing a product im sure he has every right to feel upset and agrieved.

If i bought an avanti kit i would buy an avanti head.
if i bought a gt kit i would buy the gt head.

Am sure people will still buy what they feel is right for them.

Whilst competition may seem good.....is it?
If smaller manufacturers stop making products as they feel they cannot afford to do it or the kits will get copied they may stop doing it.

I know not a lot about cylinder kits. What i know i can write on a postage stamp.
Its nice to have a choice. Its also nice to be able to get advice and input from the designers.

Unfortunately or fortunately people will look at each others products and try to improve and develop them.
would i be right in thinking af developed the TS1.
a lot of kits nowerdays seem to have adopted the nickasil liner with alloy fins and reedvalve technology.
am sure rayspeed may or may not have felt annoyed.

But at the end of the day hopefully the market will be big enough to allow smaller producers to keep producing and updating their products and people will buy them.

It just seems sad that no conversations were had apparently.

Robbie

Minority wrote:

Juan wrote:Has Ron any type of TM on this? And presuming if not then just guessing conversation might've gone along the lines of...

RS. Ron, we may need between 100-200 covers per year. Can you cover us?

RM. Dunno, maybe. If I can be arsed.

RS.We need a bit more than that to be fair.

RM. Can't commit.

RS. Yeah, uhm, okay. We'll see what we can do then. Cheers

Hey Juan, have you ever dealt with Ron Moss? From your comments I'm "guessing" not.
You won't find better customer service or a more helpful dealer out there in my experience.
Maybe, unless you heard an actual conversation, you should refrain from making one up.

+1, totally agree, good old school straight up bloke to deal with, a completed gentlemen

ducksta wrote:

ducksta wrote:In all fairness who first produced a clubman exhaust, and how many people have played with the design and called it a clubman.

I think Ron made a super clubman for the Avanti so a bit hypercritical moaning someone has copied One of his products.unless he made the first clubman exhaust.

Ron was the tuner for Royspeed and sold the Royspeed 50mm clubman style exhaust which was basically a very large, very tight curved manifold and a big cone on a standard Innocenti exhaust, they also sold a conversion kit to convert your own. The Rowspeed exhaust was the 'must have' system of its day. The only other widely available 'sports' exhaust was the Ancillotti which from personal experience was rubbish by comparison and had a manifold that grounded easier than a standard one So I would say that yes he sort of did invent the clubman concept or was at least involved right at the beginning