Scooterotica

I'd rather have a dellorto 30mil over a Mikuni or Keihin any day (ideally a 30mm flatslide delly).
Reason for this is that most lammy' have a weak spot just over 1/4 throttle when cruising at high speed or coming down from full throttle at high revs.
This is a lot harder to jet out with a Mikuni or Keihin as they only have interchangeable needles and a fixed atomiser where as with a Delly you can change both.
Also remember that the bigger carb size you go the less signal you get from the engine which also effects throttle response.
As it says in a 2 stroke tuning book i've got "its like sucking through a straw. the bigger the diameter of the straw the harder it is to suck the drink up. The same is happening to your engine."
No sucking jokes please!
My opinion only......i dont want to start a war on Mikunis v's Dellortos!

^^ agreed

Powolotti wrote: The SM will work out of the box and have great torque as they say and i believe this, but i doubt it will be THE bombshell.

Why? If they can do what they do with the TS1 now, why can't one of the best tuners/designers in the country, who thinks out of the box, actually come up with the goods? Just look at what his race bike (Mugello 200) has done over the last six years.

soulsurfer wrote:^^ agreed

Powolotti wrote: The SM will work out of the box and have great torque as they say and i believe this, but i doubt it will be THE bombshell.

Why? If they can do what they do with the TS1 now, why can't one of the best tuners/designers in the country, who thinks out of the box, actually come up with the goods? Just look at what his race bike (Mugello 200) has done over the last six years.

It was down to more than charlies mugello engine that got him where he was racing

His riding ~ You can have the fastest bike on the track ~ Doesnt mean you will get anywhere

His racing wasn"t on a budget

He knows his notes when it comes to exhaust design & building ~ Look @ his designs

Even if the super mugello is the dogs bollox putting these type of cylinder kits into production takes a lot of money ~ Its a big gamble especially in these scary times

Will they sell enough to re-coup ?

There are a few out there on the market ~ rb ~ mb-race tour - harry barlows - targa - avanti

It will be interesting to see how they sell

As times are calling for the tightening of the pockets ~ not flushing out

Give me ~ old style throw away piston and cylinder tuning ~ And getting in there amongst the metal

:bouncing: :bouncing: :bouncing:

Granted, but there's 40 hours of porting in that cylinder that propels it to a standard previously unseen, also look how many of his past motors are still on the track.

If Charlie's name is on the cylinder casting, it will be of a very high standard, nothing less, and deliver what it's described to do without breaking. Why do you think it's taken so long?

I don't think any kit has had this amount of development and testing before, that must count for something, and unfortunately adds to the cost

I don't suppose they expect to sell as many as other kits out there but I would think with the funding necessary for this and knowledge of the market, Tino, Cam Lam and Charlie probably know what they're doing.

By now there must be some one out there who has a Dyno graph of the SM, a few people quote the figures from it, and now that it's being sold I'd have thought now would be the best time for people to see a graph of how it performs.

Chris CSPE wrote:By now there must be some one out there who has a Dyno graph of the SM, a few people quote the figures from it, and now that it's being sold I'd have thought now would be the best time for people to see a graph of how it performs.

Chris, maybe James would like a free dyno ? Worth a call surely mate, he lives up in the NE so maybe Doncaster would be better for him?

Give me ~ old style throw away piston and cylinder tuning ~ And getting in there amongst the metal

Granted, i love working on my lammy but i wont use cheap throw away pistons in any engine!
I dont like ring pegs dropping, rings breaking and cracking around the skirt near the reed holes.
I like using a piston and barrell that i'm confident with so i can cruise between 60 and 70 on the motorway when i'm on a 180 mile trip without catastrophic failures!

I get much more satisfaction when i've built an engine and i have confidence in the parts i've fitted.

If anyone wants to wait 2 hours for the AA to turn up , i guess thats up to them!

By now there must be some one out there who has a Dyno graph of the SM, a few people quote the figures from it, and now that it's being sold I'd have thought now would be the best time for people to see a graph of how it performs.

No doubt there will be a graph and probably an article in scootering soon enough!
I'm not saying that i know this is going to happen but i'm sure Charlie / Camb Lamb will want to shout about the benefits of the kit.

Oh and its worth remembering again that a standard super monza won the enduro in Spain and another came 5th. The first time a Lambretta has done this in many years!

nelson pk wrote:

Give me ~ old style throw away piston and cylinder tuning ~ And getting in there amongst the metal

Granted, i love working on my lammy but i wont use cheap throw away pistons in any engine!
I dont like ring pegs dropping, rings breaking and cracking around the skirt near the reed holes.
I like using a piston and barrell that i'm confident with so i can cruise between 60 and 70 on the motorway when i'm on a 180 mile trip without catastrophic failures!

I get much more satisfaction when i've built an engine and i have confidence in the parts i've fitted.

If anyone wants to wait 2 hours for the AA to turn up , i guess thats up to them!

The expensive forged pistons such as mb & wiseco are not infallible ~ trust me ~ they can shoot the pins
( mb are blaming the additives in the pump fuel for the pins falling out on theirs + they also recommend changing the rings @ 1500mls ) :wtf: :wtf: :wtf:
That makes for an expensive rally season

I personally would be more confident using a non-forged suzuki piston @ a quarter of the price
plus being confident @ sitting between 60-70+

Don"t be taken in by all the hype of this super-gear :bouncing: :bouncing: :bouncing:

mnpes wrote:Don"t be taken in by all the hype of this super-gear :bouncing: :bouncing: :bouncing:

What hype?
If anything all the "hype", negativity and disbelief has been on the forums, but I have seen the graphs and the cylinders and talked to the man that designed it. People are too ready to put it down as "hype" rather than be open minded and positive about the possibilities if this kit.