drunkmunkey6969 wrote:JohnnyH wrote:Aren't Foxhat a Scooterotica approved tuner?
No.......see response below.
OK, you've cleared that up. It's just a strange concept to me. I'm sure that the vast majority of dealers subcontract some work, but in my 25+ years of scootering, I have never heard of one dealer approving another. You have clarified the "approved" status in a later post.
JohnnyH wrote:Or do they just use you for advertising?
They don't 'use' us for anything, we were impressed with their work and so publicised it in our 'dealers' section....same way we did with Staurt Owen @ 100mph Lambertta, MB Developments, and many others......thats what the dealers section is for.
Maybe "use" was a bad choice of word. Utilise might have been better. Again it's unusual to have this level of advertising on a forum. I know that you have a dealer section, but I would expect the dealers themselves to post on there to publicise their products, As you started/authored the original Foxhat thread some people might think that there is some form of link between you (especially now that you are running Scooterotica as a business).
JohnnyH wrote:Either way, it seems strange that these motors have been hyped so much on here but they won't (or can't) produce a dyno graph.
Hyped in what way? We like them and did an advert for them in the dealers section......what would you expect me to do.....write an advert that says: "Yup...big CC, but have no dyno graph so they must be crap"
Crikey....i was just trying to do FOXHAT a favour!
The skill of being a writer/journalist in this type of scenario is to be objective. I wouldn't expect you to say they are crap, just as you couldn't have known if they were any good. Yes, their work looks good, but all I'm asking is for some proof of this. Later posts on here are the first time I have heard from anyone with a Foxhat motor. Their feedback seems positive, but it would still be nice to see a dyno graph so this motor can be compared against others.
JohnnyH wrote:You must understand that people will be suspicious about this, especially as you have offered then dyno time and publicised them so much.
Suspicious? Dont be rediculous....why would anyone be suspicious? Now if you said people would be interested, or have enquiries.....then yes of course.....but whats to be suspicious about? Its an advert for an engine builder....if you want one....go and see them, make an enquiry, have a look at thier workshop, ride their demonstrator, and make a decision.
As others have said, I could come on here and say just about anything, for example "I can make a standard PX125 do 97mph with over 25HP", most would know that is impossible, but some might believe it. I would fully expect to be asked to prove this. This Foxhat motor would not really be the type I would go for, but I am very interested in the engineering side of it and to see what it can achieve. It's not really practical to travel to their workshop as I live at the other end of the country. A decent dyno graph should give a reasonable impression of how ridable such an engine would be though (torque/revs). Many people on here are technical enough to be able to read a dyno graph.
JohnnyH wrote:Have any of these engines been produced, or did they just not make the power expected?
Yes, they have been produced....lots of them, for a while now, and as for power....how the f@@k should i know.....i dont have a dyno graph.
But.....as has been said many times before, the current owners out on the streets are happy, their machines are bloody rapid, and the demonstrator is a f@@king animal. So.....if you have a genuine enquiry....go see FOXHAT.
As above. All shops will say good things about their own engines, and their customers usually will too.
We're just asking for more info as (until recently) there had been very little on the forums from Foxhat engine owners.
JohnnyH wrote:If they were any good, surely they'd be publicising them on here again to (potentially) hundreds of customers.
Well, actually....no, you are wrong there. There is one very good reason, which is personal to FOXHAT, as to why they dont publisice their stuff, and the second reason is that they already have too much on and under current circumstances could not cope with additional work. That is set to change though, and when it does they will make their own announcement in their own good time.....their agenda and personal circumstances are not to be spliced and diced on a public forum and they dont have to increase their pace or justify anything to anyone. Their customers scooters and their demonstrator speaks for itself.
Not sure I understand your reply. Are you saying that this is just a spare time business? Fair enough is if is, they will be limited as to how much work they can do, but if that's the case, why advertise on this forum? It seems to contradict your statement!
JohnnyH wrote:I know that you've said that your the wrong people to ask, but by publically associating them with your forum/company, you become a point of contact for them and, as such, must expect further enquiries.
And you say that with a straight face? Even though we are not the same business, and publish thier phone number and email address in the advert? So every time i make a post about a new product am i associated with the company in someway, and therefore their new secretary?
If thats your logic....then can everyone please now ring Adspeed to order their Chiselspeed retard units.
Completely straight face! As already said, the way you run this forum and business side by side is unusual. Some other shop websites (Beedspeed, SIP, etc) have forums, but they don't seem to get so involved and don't seem to promote things in the way you do. If dealers promote their own stuff then fine, but the way that you post for others in the dealer section can suggest that there is a business or financial link. Thanks for clarifying the situation.
JohnnyH wrote:If there is nothing to hide then I'm sure they will be happy to post dyno graphs as most other tuners would do when publically promoting a new product.
If there is nothing to hide?? Like what?
Poor or dissapointing performance, technical problems or limitations when building the engine, excessive cost, etc, etc.
Many projects get started and never finished (I can think of a few on here alone!). Other dealers (such as MB and Taffspeed) have started developing a new product, only to find that either it doesn't work, is not practical to produce, would cost too much, etc, etc, and will end the project. I was just trying to find out of the same was happening with these motors as I had heard nothing about them for months.
JohnnyH wrote:Even AF managed to publish a dyno graph for the RB!
Wow so they're both great but the one you 'have a business arrangement ' with you class as 'Approved'.....well at least your honest Dan. Can't fault you for that. I would have thought the 'Approval' on an open forum should go on ability to produce the right product for forum members......but then again it ain't my forum. 
