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Kinda right Eddie stone although asking the people to make a decision seems democratic to me. We are Defo split up here beyond Hadrians wall, although I kinda like it.

Eddie -couldn't have said it better.
Even amongst my own mates there are bitter disagreements over this now and it's turning people against each other, which is pathetic really.

Frankly I don't see why this vote had to be made now except to suit the tories, any democratically elected government could choose to take us out anytime they pleased.
I'm just frightened that once out we'd never get back in, not even on their terms let alone our own!

Watched one of the debates and found it quite funny, when one of the "In" MP's asked a Labour "Out" MP how they would deal with the immigration if the vote was "OUT".

The point being that Labour and the other parties (UKIP, etc) will not be in .power, it will be the Conservatives who, in the short term, will have to deal with it.

Effectively the MP's who will deal with the exit from the EU will be those who want to stay in. The likes of Farage and some of the others in the OUT campaign will not have a say in how we exit or what policies we put in place regarding immigration and the economy.

I'm still for out, but don't have much confidence in the conservatives handling it.

I don't trust any of 'em to give an out win, even if it was a landslide. I'm putting my X with permanent ink!

Another point, anyone want to stick Eddie Izzard on my bonfire alongside Russell Brand & Tony Blair?

a.j wrote:I don't trust any of 'em to give an out win, even if it was a landslide. I'm putting my X with permanent ink!

Another point, anyone want to stick Eddie Izzard on my bonfire alongside Russell Brand & Tony Blair?

can you wait with the bonfire until 24 June please? Those three are doing a great job for the "Out" campaign..........

Can you use a biro or similar or will your vote be rejected? I'm hearing that you can and that you can't.

You can use a biro to cast your vote I 'm doing the same as I just don't trust em not to alter ballot papers to make sure they keep us in.

This are specific immigration questions that I have been unable to find an answer for
372000 people came into the UK to live
184000 From the EU
188000 From outside the EU
Our current rules say that EU = Entitled
Non EU = not entitled,
188000 not entitled to be here
Brexit say leaving the EU will take away the EU entitled and stop them
My Question
Why won't the the 184000 entitled just join the 188000 not entitled so we still have 372000 immigrants.
No one has said why we can't control the entry and deportation of the 188000 non entitled or more importantly what we are going to do about the extra 184000 extra people who might be trying to get in.
If we can't control our borders as it is, bearing in mind that we aren't part of the schengen area & we still have strict passport control, what are we going to do differently?

Not my numbers, they are from the website below
http://www.migrationwatchuk.org/statist ... statistics

Bear in mind the EU insisted we take in 20 000 Syrian (non-EU) refugees.

The EU can "insist" we admit immigrants from outside the EU..........all we can do is argue about how many, apparently the 20 000 was a good result as the EU wanted us to take in considerably more.

why bear the Syrian refugees in mind, being told to take 20,000 from a humanitarian crisis caused by a destabilised Middle East, mainly caused by The UK and the Americans doesn't answer the question I asked, it's a deflection.
The leave campaign don't have an answer to this.
The point I'm making is we are being told we can't control our borders, yet no one is bringing forward plans to control them.
We are being told about a problem, blaming Europe for all of it when only 50% of the issue is EU related, leaving Europe won't solve the immigration problem.
If we were able to deal effectively with the 188000 that have no right to be here and the leave campaign said
Employ more border guards, introduce I'd cards, seize the profits from company's who, house/employ/exploit the illegals then maybe I would be a bit less sceptical. Haven't heard any of that

I would suggest that the Germans who have taken 1,000,000 (1 million, 3 times more than we have ) have a right to be more pissed of at us than we are at them, they are cleaning up the mess we made.

I had this conversation with a leave campagner in the street today
He couldn't answer it either and gave the stock
It's undemocratic, take Back our country, EU human rights blah blah blah, deflection, not answers.

I do not deny we have an immigration problem, what I do dispute is that there is any real political will from either side to fix it and that leaving the EU will solve it as I haven't head a coherent solution.