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tony wrote:Every port angle,radius,area is precise. I dont think this is possible from a cast..

I was just making a point that it is possible.
And how can a statement be ridiculous when it is true??

tony wrote:Charley's job was to design/develop and test the kit. Unfortunately the casting process is down to Tino and whoever is producing the kit. His work was actually done maybe some 21/2 years ago. The delays and production issues were not down to the tuner. Charley is not in control of the casting process. I have seen it.. its better than any other off shelf kit I have seen out of the box , even compared to my falc barrel.

Ozoap... Tino is not Porsche. He is one man in Italy with a passion for Lambrettas. To say "when porsche send me stuff its perfect. " is ridiculous. The are producing on a different scale and budget.
The only way to get it as CE designed is for him (or a skilled other) to put it exactly right. It may be that as production goes on the cast faults (which is what we are talking about here) will be removed with better molds.

Shocky. Do Ts1 or Rb kits have casting imperfections removed from the factory?
I dont think so.

no but then there not hyped by there produces/developers or there friends saying that they are perfectionist or that there the best thing since slice gravy
and when asked if the kit will work well with crank carb pipe from another tuner the answer is no everything is designed to work in harmony i wouldt have thought that unblue printed would be as harmonic as blue printed and if it was why go to the bother of the latter clarity is all people ask for

ok look ....
this kit was designed buy c e for tino ,
tony has tried to politely answer the questions the best he can going on what he has been told

i dont think its fair to ask him questions that perhaps should be to tino,Charley or cam lam

ok point taken ric
have you ever asked time a question

OzOAP wrote:

tony wrote:The level this is at is a little more than 'grind that out and this looks good'. Every port angle,radius,area is precise. I dont think this is possible from a cast.. not to the level he works at anyway... So hence the 'blueprinted' kits.

Maybe if they spent the extra £100 getting them cast better in the 1st place it would save CE the time.
When I get GT2 head castings from Porsche motorsport, they are perfect/exact in every way.
You are right saying that the "straight from the factory kit should not be avalable" as it's not what the "designer designed"
Who would spend £700 on a barrel that isn't quite right?

I Dont tend to follow the Charlie edmonds for prime minister train of thought but i think comparing the R&D, final finish/quality to that of Porsche motorsport is a tad unafair. Nice 911 by the by.

shocky wrote:ok point taken ric
have you ever asked time a question

tino ... ???

i said " hi how ya doing" at cadwell ....

OzOAP wrote:

tony wrote:Every port angle,radius,area is precise. I dont think this is possible from a cast..

I was just making a point that it is possible.
And how can a statement be ridiculous when it is true??

yes it maybe feasible with a multil million pound organisation behind you like porsche... but we are talking lambretta here with a guy in Italy having it cast off his own company's back.. so it that sense its ridiculous and you know this. You are not that stupid.

And even so.. I still think you still dont quite get how precise Ce is and how precise a motor needs to be to get good power and spread of power.

Shocky.. not quite sure I understand what you wrote.
The ts1 was plugged as having 24hp out the box.. most make 16 to 17 that I have seen/built or worked on. The rb had quite a few issues with casting to begin with and that was higher output or supposed to be?.. and people tell me there are still problems. The Rb's I worked on had massively varying trans timing for instance..

The guy IS a perfectionist and his race results/reliabilty prove this. You cannot argue that. So I do not understand the negativity and the doubt.

I have never come on here and started a thread plugging the super monza. I have only ever answered questions and tried to tell you lot it is special.. it is different.. it was designed with a very different approach by a very clever kid.

I was just correcting you, (thats prob what you didnt like), by saying that it is possible to cast in high quality, and maybe, for the benefit of the customer, more should have been spent on the manufacturing, rather than having to pay extra to have it 'fettled'
I dont really know why I read these threads anyway. I will never ride a Lamebwetta.
Never met him, but Charley is a very clever lad. Clever enough not to post on forums and get involved in all the hype.

tony wrote:You are not that stupid.

And even so.. I still think you still dont quite get how precise a motor needs to be to get good power and spread of power.

After building race engines for 25 years, and winning championships every year, I have a vague idea on how precise things need to be.
This is my day job.
There are 6 of these engines in the world and no workshop manual.
I know it's not a Super Monza but it does have "good power and a good spread of power"

I declare oz the rightful winner lol.