Name change- British Lambretta Owners Association Club

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Steveshipley wrote: Fri Apr 13, 2018 9:18 pm your suggestion the lcgb has an unanswerable case. is that fact or your view???
I think you will find I said "pretty much...". Yes, that is MY view. It's based on an assumption that unless the Committee were reasonably assured that the LCGB has a good case they would not wish to proceed with their claim.

The other two alternatives are 1) that the LCGB committee are just a bunch of bad bluffers or 2) that they are totally reckless and prepared to gamble the Club's money on something they have been advised is not likely to win.

I trust the committee to make the right decision - based on the information available.
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i understand there could be alledged copyright infringements as merchandise / items may have been produced or the logos used without consent if what you say is correct and thats subject to court action thats something i wont touch on as it way out of my knowledge base but theres always the old "out of court settlement" that could enter the mix.
as i stated if the vespa owners club and vespa club britain can coexist hopefully some mutally agreeable compromise can be struck this would benefit all parties im sure and may go some way to diminish some of the allegations being levelled about the LCGB and its Committee and members and heal the rifts begun by this issue arising in the first place .

i sincerely hope all sides can learn some lessons from this and move forward .
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wise words WM.
Funnily enough although the VCB and VOC have an understanding it was clearly because the VOC spoke to the VCB at some point t before running away with the idea and also made their logos and name measurably dissimilar.

Many, many years ago I re-started a local Vespa Ciub and mistakenly (it was a very long time ago I hasten to add) made a letter head entitling it 'Vespa Club of Great Britain' and used it to post out various stuff to clubs etc.
It was THAT long ago that it was on a dot matrix printer -we'll put it that way.

Hardly a fortnight passed before I had an official letter from the VCB chief Charles Caswell, who I had to phone to extricate myself from this unintentional upset.

In summary: this isn't the first time and it won't be the last that someone uses logos and names they aren't supposed to, it's how thats dealt with afterwards that will show whether the organisation(s) are likely to survive.
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So it's been declared today that they are in legal talks. So why spend £7k with someone who didn't offer legal advise in the last 14 or so months? Or has someone bought a new kitchen?? Just thinking out aloud.....
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timexit17 wrote: Fri Apr 13, 2018 10:02 pm wise words WM.
Funnily enough although the VCB and VOC have an understanding it was clearly because the VOC spoke to the VCB at some point t before running away with the idea and also made their logos and name measurably dissimilar.

Many, many years ago I re-started a local Vespa Ciub and mistakenly (it was a very long time ago I hasten to add) made a letter head entitling it 'Vespa Club of Great Britain' and used it to post out various stuff to clubs etc.
It was THAT long ago that it was on a dot matrix printer -we'll put it that way.
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Hardly a fortnight passed before I had an official letter from the VCB chief Charles Caswell, who I had to phone to extricate myself from this unintentional upset.

In summary: this isn't the first time and it won't be the last that someone uses logos and names they aren't supposed to, it's how thats dealt with afterwards that will show whether the organisation(s) are likely to survive.
thanks for the insight im thinking a few organisations an businesses may be watching how this plays out so the IPO could find themselves busy witn a flood of trademark and copyright applications .

well theres only so many ways of expressing a group of lambretta or vespa for that matter owners based in the uk.

if fb BLOA were able to come to a point of changing a name they had tried to trademark im sure there should be less attachment to a logo that the didnt its likely to be a slowly shifting stance as awkward questions appear to be being asked as somebody posted on their site they joined the BLOA so why the change, bit of face saving perhaps , understandable to a degree.

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Nic wrote: Fri Apr 13, 2018 8:15 pm

Ultimately, however, it doesn't matter one bit what we think. In the opinion of a barrister who specialises in this area of the law the LCGB has a pretty much unanswerable case for the retention of a copyright assigned to it.
Your saying the barrister didn’t actually say this, but that it’s your opinion? So was this another blatant lie?
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Gavin J Frankland wrote: Fri Apr 13, 2018 10:18 pm So it's been declared today that they are in legal talks. So why spend £7k with someone who didn't offer legal advise in the last 14 or so months? Or has someone bought a new kitchen?? Just thinking out aloud.....
Based on your comments above I'm not entirely sure thinking aloud is your forte, dude.

The impression being given is that depending on your response the "legal talks" are over and the LCGB will see you in Court. You still have an opportunity to resolve this.
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Timbo wrote: Fri Apr 13, 2018 10:45 pm
Nic wrote: Fri Apr 13, 2018 8:15 pm

Ultimately, however, it doesn't matter one bit what we think. In the opinion of a barrister who specialises in this area of the law the LCGB has a pretty much unanswerable case for the retention of a copyright assigned to it.
Your saying the barrister didn’t actually say this, but that it’s your opinion? So was this another blatant lie?
I'm sure we will find out in due course
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Nic, I don't know you but I think it's about time now you just STFU. you're not adding value now. this is getting beyond any sense. LCGB need to engage with Mr F. not the other way around. the LCGB are the ones who have an issue, not the other way round. whatever the moral issue is. Mr F is not legally in the wrong
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Nic wrote: Fri Apr 13, 2018 10:49 pm
Gavin J Frankland wrote: Fri Apr 13, 2018 10:18 pm So it's been declared today that they are in legal talks. So why spend £7k with someone who didn't offer legal advise in the last 14 or so months? Or has someone bought a new kitchen?? Just thinking out aloud.....
Based on your comments above I'm not entirely sure thinking aloud is your forte, dude.

The impression being given is that depending on your response the "legal talks" are over and the LCGB will see you in Court. You still have an opportunity to resolve this.
am i right in thinking any impending Legal action is as a result of alleged unauthourised use of the MK designs ?
as the recent name change to BLOC has not been amended on the trademark appication on the IPO site and that apllication is still showing opposed with no reference to any forthcoming hearing .

can you tell me where on the LCGB forum the announcement has bee made nic ,
i still feel the LCGB should attempt to win their case for many of the reasons ive posted previously however a certain degree magnanimity in victory would be positive force in the battle for the hearts and minds of the lambretta owning community an may silence a few of the LCGB haters
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