Scooterotica

whatever charlie is doing hes doing it right ,, hes raised the bar and if im honest i dont think anyone can compete with him at the moment ,,

as one respected racer who i know seid not so long ago to a friend of mine " the mans a genius "

i think charlie like all other tuners will experiment till over the top,years ago we tuned by port heights a little more height on the exhaust and barrel went to the bottom of the pile ,the alloy one can be rescued easy.
i have fitted cylinders that have been bought from the likes of 'ebay' that should have been recycled not refitted simply because the tuners have 'gone over the top' yesthe computer aided design will now be taking part but the dyno is a very quick and easy route to showing increase/decrease power in the right/wrong place without anyone one else seeing good/bad results, i am sure that charlie and other tuners are doing this practice today ,certainly just looking into a previous tuners port sizes/timings is not the norm today.
if it wasn't for the likes of charlie and other tuners we would not be where we are today ,yes despite previous post with wild guesses about how to beat the rules!
keep up the good work.
regards
joe

ouch.... sounds like knowledge has hit a nerve. Rather than Tony keep 2ing and throwing from us to Charlie, could we not accomodate for him to come on and explain his methods as we're all intrested in the processes that he takes to get his results.

It doesn't seem unfair that Knowledge gets it in the ear, nor that Tony is left to try and explain what Charlie does without looking like his being paid to do so.

I think most of us a genuinly intrested in where he starts and the time involved on say a TS1 engine package....

GPMatt wrote:ouch.... sounds like knowledge has hit a nerve. Rather than Tony keep 2ing and throwing from us to Charlie, could we not accomodate for him to come on and explain his methods as we're all intrested in the processes that he takes to get his results.

It doesn't seem unfair that Knowledge gets it in the ear, nor that Tony is left to try and explain what Charlie does without looking like his being paid to do so.

I think most of us a genuinly intrested in where he starts and the time involved on say a TS1 engine package....

we must remember that each tuner has onlookers!
you are correct.i had my head bit off by these followers earlier ,it would be nice to look into what charlie edmonds is doing but i do understand the 'cards close to chest' bit!
regards
joe

quote: ( Is this a future development in the lambretta tuning world )

at the risk of being shot at i do feel it has to be said the peek of lambretta tuning has already been and gone,and not recently i might add
a long time ago the stage 4 cast iron tune was arrived at which brought the 4 main ellements of the road machine together inreased power/speed/reliability/....fuel consumption.remained reasonable,the power to weight ratio was right for the engine and frame,the engine mechanicals were safe,and fuel consumption acceptable,
what im saying is that this was the only time all four requirements for a quality lambretta actually came together, every thing since that time as raised and /or lowered one or more of these essentials.
the only good reason to alter this arrangement would be for personnel taste reliability versus speed i suppose ( vw beetle versus dragster ) at this point i should add that i am niether for or against either, myself i aim at realiability as im a tight fisted git,but i also remember in the early 70s if 20 or more of us set off to scarborough we all got there....give or take a puncture/snapped cable. more recently it seams to be about laybys on the A64 and siezures/major mechanicals!!
for the racers amongst us peeking the obvious parameters is essential the fact that thier engine internals are fragile is a lesser and acceptable concern the same can be said of the speed driven road user......well!! them with the deeper pockets
Tuning is the process of selecting the appropriate genetic operators and their respective parameters to suit a problem......my problem is pulling two up over long distances without the use of the greenflag service........whats yours ????? :baddevil: :baddevil:

tuning for me is trying to get the f@@ker as fast as poss whilst getting all the components to work well with one another, some of the missmatches ive seen in my time have been stupid, like 34mm carbs on standard 200 barrels, or barrels that are highly tuned with a clubman and 24mm carb.
i doubt you will get a tuner to tell you the knowledge that they worked for years to gain, tho even if some did, would you even understand the theories that said tuner has thought up ?

Tony have you got your order in for next years charlie calender......

GPMatt wrote:ouch.... sounds like knowledge has hit a nerve. Rather than Tony keep 2ing and throwing from us to Charlie, could we not accomodate for him to come on and explain his methods as we're all intrested in the processes that he takes to get his results.

It doesn't seem unfair that Knowledge gets it in the ear, nor that Tony is left to try and explain what Charlie does without looking like his being paid to do so.

I think most of us a genuinly intrested in where he starts and the time involved on say a TS1 engine package....

Charlie or any other tuner has no need nor reason to explain or detail anything that they do. He has spent a lot of time, money and trouble learning and getting to the point where he is now, and he is still learning and developing. He is a very driven and clever man, but also he is running a business and making a living from tuning and development, so has no reason to explain his knowledge!.

Charlie has a skill of looking at things from a differnt viewpoint, and he also looks at every aspect of the whole thing..... and that is a big part of his sucess.....

tony wrote: That statement is the most stupid mis-informed thing you have ever said Martin. It also shows you have a lot to learn my friend. "Charlie's tuning is driven by what his computer tells him? " Are you mad? So what has he been doing for the last 12 years previous to the arrival of a computer in his workshop? You dont get that kind knowledge by buying computer programs.. you get it by testing and innovation. You know so so little of where he is at, what he is doing. And posting rubbish like that simply confirms this.

He thinks he's mate's with John Baulcombe as well. He isn't.

John used to tolerate him hanging around the workshop and feed him snippets of information, which he proceeded to misinterpret and then relay to others via the Lcgb forum.

And then there's the small frame debacle anyone know how to cable up the gears?

I must say that personally i also found tonys responce to knowledge to be on the harsh side.

I have never met knowledge myself ,but the impression i get (forum wise) and from others ,is that he is a very nice chap and one that always goes out of his way to help others out as best he can....and is always willing to do so,to the best of his knowledge.

knowledge is a good,well behaved and respected member of this forum and others,and so i think its really unfair to beat him up,just cos he gets something a bit wrong sometimes or does not fully understand certain things always