Stainless tubeless again

[scootRS.com]

Do the problems associated with stainless tubeless rims also apply to normal split rims made of stainless?

What exact problems have you heard of? As far as I know there has not been a single problem with a stainless tubeless rim since they've been sold.

Also, I can add that our company has never heard of a single problem with a stainless split rim that we've sold.

I did read in Scootering the other year of a bad batch of stainless split rims from Sterling and their UK dealers but, beyond that, nothing. They just made some badly, no?

Is that not correct?

During the same period I've heard of certain engine parts failing at speed, and hub stud failures, and new super dampers snapping fork links, etc., but for some odd reason those never seem to get sticky notes or articles written about them

Personally, though we have always been very cautious about this matter and provided full info about the pros and cons of various materials, I only care about facts and stats, and, at this point, after several years, there does seem to be an exaggerated paranoia on this issue given the actual stats. As I said above, the stat our company has seen is: 0.

(None of which diminishes any accident a friend suffered, but it is to say that statistically the same thing happens as often or more often because of other items. )

[mark]

not saying its yours randall just there does seem to be a problem with stainless steel rims.
http://www.forums.ilambretta.com/viewto ... =stainless
i try to err on safety side and advice others to as well.

[bristolmod]

there's been loads and loads written about these problems over the last couple of years Randall- I'm sure you've read all the reports on various forums. Wasn't some guy called "Maltby Media Co" enthusing over them???

The upshot, in my eyes, is that Stainless rims are subject to cracking, and they are not recommended.

I seem to recall that some far-eastern dealer was actually giving refunds/ replacements at one stage. Was this you?

To be honest, with all the bad publicity, SS rims either split or whole, are not worth the risk IMO.

Chris

[scootRS.com]

i try to err on safety side

That's exactly what I'm saying. From what I've seen, there is no statistical evidence of anything other than that Sterling made a bad batch.

There are Sterling (sand cast) disc hubs that have cracked too; we don't err on the side of safety by avoiding all alloy hubs or hydraulic disc brakes. I don't buy bad bearings either but I still use bearings.

>>there's been loads and loads written about these problems

98% loads of hypothesizing (some of which I've agreed with) or poor logic or confusion, and 2% fact and actual stats.

>>Wasn't some guy called "Maltby Media Co" enthusing over them?
>>some far-eastern dealer was actually giving refunds/ replacements at one stage. Was this you?

No, he was just recommending tubeless rims like many people do, nothing to do with stainless and, no, not us, that was Sterling with their bad batch noted above.

You see how these issues get all mixed up?

As Sticky's sticky about the Sterling rims on the LCGB reads:

>>This is not an issue over whether stainless is a suitable material for making rims out of. In the right grade and with the correct production methods it might be. This is simply an issue specifically about the safety of these (specific) rims.

[bristolmod]

OK Randall I understand now- thanks for clarifying that.

I was obviously mistaken looking at those pix of cracked stainless rims, and those pages and pages of dialogue over on the LCGB site last year, prior to non members being banned from contributing.

I'm sure most people don't want to get into the loop of "SS rims- good or bad?" yet again. IVO the lack of unanswered questions raised at that time, I think that most people have made their own minds up.

Chris

[scootRS.com]

If being sarcastic, there's no need to be because you are actually mistaken. It had absolutely zero to do with stainless steel. Not trying to be rude, but the points you are raising are simply wrong. Check yourself.

Sarcasm and anecdotes and marketing mean nothing, facts and stats do. If the facts as I know them or have read and stated above are wrong - again, there was one bad batch of Sterling stainless split rims -, then show exactly how. (Logic says there is/was a problem with Sterling stainless split rims, not stainless.) If the logic of not condemning all alloy hubs because some alloy hubs have cracked is wrong, show how.

I'm also not promoting stainless rims, if confused, only facts and logic

Cheers.

[bristolmod]

Sarcasm not intended.

There's been so much negativity towards SS items, that I for one will not use them. Not when a SS rim is the only thing between this life and the next.....

As I said, I'm sure most people on here do not want this raised "ad infinitum", in view of the previous threads last year.

My minds already made up- I'm sure others can decide themselves.

End of story

[sydduckett]

Dont see how you can slate sticky by implying he is selective in his articles, and then quote him to prove a point...

But then again you have a vested intrest as we all know....

[scootRS.com]

Dont see how you can slate sticky by implying he is selective in his articles, and then quote him to prove a point...

You think it's better to pretend people are always right or always wrong and never listen to reason? Like in gangs or something? I don't think that way. For example, I'd readily agree with you, Sticky or anyone if I thought you were right, doesn't matter to me if we disagreed on something else

Cheers.

[druist]

Randall,

Personally, I cant complain about any of Scootrs's to date in the 4yrs I have bought many parts before the £ vs $ and would still buy many more if it worked out cheaper or what I wanted as overall, great company

- but why on my stainless rims do I have for "show use only"? Surely if they were ok to ride normally in the same setting as other rims then this caveat wouldnt be needed.

To me, perhaps not the most mechanically minded and scooter knowledgeable person about (be quiet Chris, lol), it does give me the impression that you are either covering yourself should something happen in a legal manner, which I note you dont do on other rims, which further implies a lack of confidence or a get out clause should something happen, still giving the impression of not quite 100% confidence - or is there an alternative reason for this?

I know safety is a great concern to Scootrs, I personally can vouch that i had a v1 and was offered a discount as they may have been a problem with no safety bead.

I dont know, do we have other vehicles where stainless are used on rims, eg Harleys or cars? Is the metal fit for purpose or is it just for shows and not to be used for general use. If it is the case I have bought 4 tubeless tyres from Scootrs at different times and all could be potentially more dangerous due to desing than the alternatives you sell. Which then puts me at best, very out of pocket or at worst riding an albeit low % dangerous scooter. And I know someone will bring up other factors of danger but please stay topic.