super monza

[steve chapman]

you may well be right wezly but it has had some dremling and polishing done of some sort

[willwander]

Please can you post some pictures....and a port map...and a Dyno

[steve chapman]

sorry guys not my thing but i will try and post some pickies as soon as i can Steve

[Chris CSPE]

Blue printed?
Can lam are offering two versions of the kit, one as it is from the manufacture at £695 and the other at £795 that have been worked on by CE. If it's the factory kits that have had the work done on them why werent they for sale first and the tuned version as a option.
How would a package of tuning parts be blue printed?

[nelson pk]

As far as it reads to me it seems pretty simple.
The £695 one is as it comes from the manufacturer. The £795 one is checked over by Charlie for blueprinting etc.
All kits lose a bit off the exact design. For example, you get 2 ts1's off the shelf and they may have a degree or two difference on port timings due to the manufacturing process and one may have nice chamfered ports and the other may have razor sharp ports for the same reason.
You are paying for the designer to check the kit over and blueprint. So, yes you will see work thats been done on the ports but this is blueprinting.
They are both still meant to be run with all the other "super monza" components as far as i am aware.
That is the only difference between the two.

[tony]

As I see it....my own opinion

CE is a perfectionist. This is his design project, albeit for Tino. The level this is at is a little more than 'grind that out and this looks good'. Every port angle,radius,area is precise. I dont think this is possible from a cast.. not to the level he works at anyway... So hence the 'blueprinted' kits.

I feel the straight from factory kit should not be available. I feel the reason for it being offered is that many were concerned about the price. I bet cam lam dont sell many 'straight' kits. If you are spending this money on a kit you would want it as the designer designed.

I believe in due course that idea of 'two' kits will be revised. Lets see.

Chris you seem to be quite interested in this barrel. I would guess that if you wanted more power than the blueprinted kit (which is circa 30hp with the CE components) then speak to Charley and I am sure he could offer a higher power version. He will probably say that you will need a gearbox too as over this 30hp that then becomes the next weak factor.

[Chris CSPE]

Thanks For that reply Tony.

[OzOAP]

The level this is at is a little more than 'grind that out and this looks good'. Every port angle,radius,area is precise. I dont think this is possible from a cast.. not to the level he works at anyway... So hence the 'blueprinted' kits.

Maybe if they spent the extra £100 getting them cast better in the 1st place it would save CE the time.
When I get GT2 head castings from Porsche motorsport, they are perfect/exact in every way.
You are right saying that the "straight from the factory kit should not be avalable" as it's not what the "designer designed"
Who would spend £700 on a barrel that isn't quite right?

[shocky]

i have to ask why you wouldnt blue print as standard ? seems the first logical step in tuning doesnt it? any tuner/engine builder worth his weight in gold would do that or maybe theres a difference in lambretta engines that ive never heard of over karts rally engines and motorcycles
maybe ive miss read in the past 2 years or so but i believe this was a no holes barred, no expense spared, no compromise kit with 100,s of hrs development the bee,s knees the kit to end all kits ? why one rough cast and one finished , im not fussed any way really as its not my thing but i really dont want to listen to bores when they tell me what they have got when they havent

[tony]

Charley's job was to design/develop and test the kit. The casting process is down to Tino and whoever is producing the kit. His work was actually done maybe some 21/2 years ago. The delays and production issues were not down to the tuner. Charley is not in control of the casting process. I have seen it.. its better than any other off shelf kit I have seen out of the box , even compared to my falc barrel.

Ozoap... Tino is not Porsche. He is one man in Italy with a passion for Lambrettas. To say "when porsche send me stuff its perfect. " is ridiculous. The are producing on a different scale and budget.
The only way to get it as CE designed is for him (or a skilled other) to put it exactly right. It may be that as production goes on the cast faults (which is what we are talking about here) will be removed with better molds.

Shocky. Do Ts1 or Rb kits have casting imperfections removed from the factory?
I dont think so.