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I have an issue with the 'Indians were using the Italian tooling' argument. I think that over time they will have developed their own manufacturing processes that suited their needs.

This may have been the case when they were using up the stock of parts and moulds that they bought in the early days but we all know that the easiest way to tell an Indian casing is the five ribs on the flywheel side mount. This clearly says to me that they were not using the same mould to cast the MAIN engine casing (even though it still has Innocenti markings) so why would we we continue to maintain that they were following other original Inocennti manufacturing processes??

I'm not an engineer by any means but the 'perceived wisdom' is that the the Indians 'machined the endplate and the casing at the same time', but what does this actually mean? Does it mean that endplate is torqued and dowelled into the casing and then the hole centres in the endplate are machined through for the cluster and the layshaft or that the bearing faces are done first in the endplate and the gearbox assembled then machined the holes for the bolts and dowels?

Surely someone in the community must have a contact in SIL who could settle this debate once and for all on the Indian side, similarly there must be some record or contact who could describe the original Italian process??

rosscla wrote:Surely someone in the community must have a contact in SIL who could settle this debate once and for all on the Indian side, similarly there must be some record or contact who could describe the original Italian process??

that is difficult to answer i'm afraid

RICSPEED wrote:

rosscla wrote:Surely someone in the community must have a contact in SIL who could settle this debate once and for all on the Indian side, similarly there must be some record or contact who could describe the original Italian process??

that is difficult to answer i'm afraid

Might be, but the guys at Scooter Restorations are getting parts made by SIL. SIL are still knocking out casings and endplates and many other parts, so they are still manufacturing now. Maybe the dealers could ask their contacts and clear it up once and for all?

Surely there's no trade secrets and there's loads of forged parts out there too, but while manufacturing continues someone ought to be able to offer definitive answers rather than opinion??

I had a new indian 200 case but I wanted to use a ramped kickstart so I tried a series 2 150 endplate and it fitted. (Lucky I quess). But on conversation with a dealer I was told if it did not fit to drill out the holes an extra size to allow slight movement to enable fitting. This I did not fancy trying and if the endplate did not fit I would of just modified the gp one and used that

Solution: But four cheap bearings to fit to four endplates and hope I find one that fits out of the four I have. Once I find one that fits, change the bearing for a decent one. Total cost for the four bearings is £4.41, so no big deal.

My opinion FWIW ?
Would me to fit a decent new hub bearing as this would/should have the least play/movment first.
Then fit the layshaft and torque the hub on then try an endplate without the needle bearing.
Move the layshaft to and fro and round and round and scribe on the end, as ive mentioned, to find the best one.
I think this is a good test for them , obviously if your an engineer or tool maker the you would have access to a better method. But then again how accurate is the indian manufacturing process ? or for that even the italian manufacturing tolerances?
Russ

^ A good tip. I'll be fitting all as it should be, but for the sake of £1 a shot, I'll be fitting a new bearing in each endplate until I find one that fits, I will then remove that bearing and fit a quality one in it's place.

my findings are on here mike
http://scooterotica.org/forum/viewtopic ... t=endplate

mark wrote:my findings are on here mike
http://scooterotica.org/forum/viewtopic ... t=endplate

Thanks Mark. Probably cheaper for me to use the bearings, rather than have a bush machined and hopefully I wont run out of endplates before I run out of bearings