LCGB AGM ref BLOA

[GTFOMWSC]

Weird thing is, Sywell Museum have no recollection of a scooter rally attending in the near future.

perhaps that's because its on the aerodrome and not in the museum.It's listed in their events schedule and on their website.

[Nic]

I seriously think nic has issues. It's a famous airfield that was used to film the Battle of Britain from. Great venue. If no one can see that then there's no point discussing it. When ever gets said it's gets brought down to the gutter. I'm afraid I will not let BLOA to be in the gutter. Carry on with your childish behaviour, I think it's time for the rest of us to pull out. Nissen hut...give me strength...

I'm sorry Gavin, clearly my attempted humour went right over the top of your head.

My reference was to Timbo constantly harking on to the fact that all he's "risking" with your outfit is his precious little tenner. Hence the reference to a Nissen hut. I'll remember to keep it more simple for you.

In fact, as indicated elsewhere, I have no issue with the venue itself but with you attempting to use it as a pretence to argue that your outfit is vital for a rally to be held there.

In answer to another of your supporters on FB (whom I've allowed to spout his stuff on my page on literally dozens of occasions on my page, despite being barred form yours), I stated that if anyone had come to the LCGB and suggested it as a venue I was sure the committee would seriously have considered it.

And if it had gone for the location, it would have poured lots of resources into making it a success, as it has previously done with Lincoln, Shipston, the Derby 150, the Coast-to-Coast, the South Downs run, Blackpool etc, where it has either organised the event itself or supported local clubs doing it.

[timexit17]

Come on (Ladies &?) Gents, this isn't about

the venue (which looks fine & is eminently suitable)
the person organising it (who shouldn't need to defend his integrity away from this issue alone)
the persons on this thread who have a different viewpoint to you (most who are known to me and are long standing scooterists of impeccable reputation)
your opinion of the LCGB
your opinion of individuals in the LCGB
your opinion on the committee of the LCGB
your opinion on what so & so meant by what was viewed by everyone else as light hearted banter

It is about the use of the BLOA name and emblems, nothing else.

Frankly this 'whataboutery, sock-puppetry' and 'pretending you haven't already picked a side here' is pretty grating.
Everyones said their opinion and facts are getting ignored or misrepresented herein, so stick to the point.

[bolzenanker]

Weird thing is, Sywell Museum have no recollection of a scooter rally attending in the near future.

perhaps that's because its on the aerodrome and not in the museum.It's listed in their events schedule and on their website.

Oh, my bad. Ignore me.

[bolzenanker]

You’re right Tim, the name is the only thing I have an issue with.

[timexit17]

The name is all anyone has an issue with B.
Everything else is entirely periphery.

If the name hadn't been intentionally taken no one would have any issue with Gavin, his museum idea, his retro rallies or setting up a rival (or not a rival) club.
He could have formed a co-operative of clubs interested in these -ours certainly would have been interested, but a gamble over a name has blown that for good & all, dragged his name through the mud and set scooterist against scooterist.

What grates with me (and yes, I have friends on both sides) is that someone, somewhere is getting a right good hard on over this cynical trouble making.

[Nic]

Good reply Tim and I agree 100% with you. It’s obvious Nic is trying to discredit GF and belittle planned events, hence his referance to a Nissen Hut and “cruel deception on readers” re the museum......Personally, and I have no ulterior motive, he’s doing more harm than good. Just my opinion..........and before the question gets asked my Dad is 6’8”.......

I've answered the issue of Sywell elsewhere but briefly, Timbo, like Timexit17 and thousands of LCGB members, hopefully, I have no problem with the venue. Had it been suggested to us, I'm sure the committee would have considered it seriously as a location for a rally.

And if another club had suggested it as a venue for their rally, the same would have applied. The LCGB supports anything up to 15 local club events a year, encouraging its members to attend them and publicising their events in Jet Set and on its forums. So that's most definitely not an issue.

On the question of a Lambretta Museum, you've made it perfectly clear that you are not hugely bothered too much one way or another about Lambretta Museums. Fine, each to their own.

But I actually do care about it, however. A lot. It was one of Mike Karslake's life ambitions and a few years ago some of us worked hard to try to make it a reality. A number of factors ultimately defeated us at the time. One day, maybe, we'll get another chance. But it means that there a few people around who have a very good idea of what's involved in such a concept.

Which is why I find it wrong that someone should try to make vague and unrealistic promises to people - "ooooh, a museum....." - in the they will forget that ultimately, the BLOA name and Mike Karslake's copyrighted imagery is being taken from its legitimate owners.

These are copyrighted designs which we have now proved were specifically passed by Mike Karslake to the LCGB and was not intended for use by anyone else other than our national Club.

As Timexit17 says, this is the crux of the argument, not where a rally is held. So I have to ask you: do you accept that the BLOA imagery created by Mike Karslake was assigned by him to the LCGB? Or is the letter and handwriting from him in Jet Set a forgery?

[eden]

And if it had gone for the location, it would have poured lots of resources into making it a success, as it has previously done with Lincoln, Shipston, the Derby 150, the Coast-to-Coast, the South Downs run, Blackpool etc, where it has either organised the event itself or supported local clubs doing it.

Lincoln national lost the LCGB a huge amount of money.
South Downs is put on by the local club not the LCGB.
The rallies at Shipston came about because of a local lad who lives in shipston sorted it, he was later dropped by LCGB and hasn't attended since.
The first Derby 150 was a success but only because Steve Grant did all the work himself.

I would like to know how you think the LCGB support clubs who put affiliated lcgb rallys on. I know that when we put an affiliated rally on a few years ago we got no support in any form at all from the LCGB. I did ask the question. On top of that the LCGB gave us two dates to pick from and only a few weeks to find a venue and organize the event on one of those dates.
The rally was a success, but that wasn't due to the LCGB, it was down to the hard work our club members put in. We even donated ALL profit from the rally to the LCGB nominated charity, knowing what i know now I wonder where that envelope full of money actually ended up.

Nic you seem to be either a specialist in misinformation or just ignorant to facts.

[steveg]

The first Derby 150 was a success but only because Steve Grant did all the work himself.

Not true, and please never use me to illustrate any point you have to make

[timexit17]

In fairness, the LCGB can't guarantee a success since other factors come into play.
South Downs (the one Nic is referring to) was the one NFSC set up and was indeed supported by the LCGB - a great rally-I attended all of them.

Once again Gents, this isn't about anything other than the BLOA name etc.
Nic asked a very fair question, can anyone answer it or are we simply going to see this thread diverted by whataboutery yet again?

The LCGB asserts that the BLOA imagery created by Mike Karslake was assigned by him to the LCGB
There is a letter in his own handwriting in the latest edition of 'jetset' (The LCGB members only magazine).
I'm quite sure all parties to this disagreement have seen this article, so let's have some feedback on this assertion.