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Nic wrote: Mon Feb 05, 2018 10:35 pm

Tim, it's quite obvious to anyone who knows you why you have "joined BLOA". You're someone who, to my personal knowledge, has held a personal grudge against the Lambretta Club for at least 10-12 years, possibly longer. I remember you coming to my house in the early Noughties and whinging on about the LCGB even then.

Which is why the real thing that motivates you in this whole BLOA debate is your long-standing, sour hatred of the LCGB.

In the course of your hatred, you've not even tried to engage with the argument I tried to put forward - that morally, the BLOA name is neither Gavin's to take - or yours to "join".

As for you being a judge of character - by your own admission you've neither met nor spoken to Gavin Frankland. Generally, that's considered fairly crucial when it comes to judging someone's character. Not for you, clearly.

Finally, what I find totally contemptible is how you are prepared to put any scootering principle in the bin as long as you can "stick it to" the LCGB. Pathetic.

Is it any surprise that I regard what you say to be laughable?
Nic more and more lies from your blinkered journalistic eyes......I joined BLOA early last year when it popped up on FB and there was no mention of the LCGB and I was not aware of any historical connection with BLOA and the LCGB. In fact I joined on the 30/4/2017 so your welcome to look back at the BLOA FB pages to see if I am correct. I thingk you will find no mention of the LCGB. My only grudge against the LCGB was down to the moderating of their open forum run by Weeks who lacked severely in people skills. I attended the Lincoln Euro rally and made a big effort to find him. I went up to him to chat through our differences and to shake his hand. He declined. I have a witness to this. I’v also gone on record in the past to say that the rally was superbly organised but just not my thing. This is why I organise every year a Gite in France with 4-6 good mates. I left the LCGB due to the moderation of the forum and Weeks is attitude. I was not asked to leave or was I expelled. Let’s be very clear Nic I have no hatred for the LCGB and mostly I see them doing a great job for the love in my life so stop spouting these lies!!! I have been in business for over 45 years dealing daily with the Public. I can generally tell from telephone conversations, emails, pm’s the sort of person I am dealing with. I use this skill when selling stuff on the net. How quickly people respond to messages etc. I’m usually right so a face to face meeting is not necessary. I’m also not naive. During my membership with BLOA it became obvious there was a dispute with the LCGB and this was explained by Gavin Franklin who I believe. Surely a meeting with him straight away by the LCGB would be the first course of action. I’ve been told this didn’t take place. As I said if proved wrong I’m happy to apologise, not something I can see you doing Nic. Your use of the words aimed at me “personal grievance” “sour hatred” “stick it to” are simply lies made up to suit you to discredit me. As was your trashing of Gavin Franklin. As a journalist I thought you only dealt in facts so stop telling f@@king lies and speculating about me and others as you clearly have got it well wrong and your bang out of order. Stick to facts!
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coaster wrote: Tue Feb 06, 2018 12:28 am
Doom Patrol wrote: Mon Feb 05, 2018 11:14 pm
................................then you've been very remiss. Sharp practice or not you have rested on your laurels.
I think that is pretty unfair, if the LCGB was run by a professional management team then maybe, but as with thousands of clubs up and down the country, it is run by a bunch of enthusiastic volunteers in between holding down full time jobs and raising families. None of them will have any idea about protecting copyright, they are the victims of a bit of sharp practice, technically legal possibly but sneaky at best. To suggest it is the LCGB's fault because they didn't envisage someone nipping in and grabbing something is just plain daft.

There seems to be a serious lack of objectivity in some people's arguments :(
Hang on. We've heard a lot about protecting the clubs heritage and how it rested on a moral defence, so people seem pretty clued up on it now. Especially when it comes to starting legal action. Although, I wouldn't be overly enthusiastic if, as you say, none of them have any idea what they are doing. Sorry if that sounds unfair, but it is basically the gist of it.
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Doom Patrol wrote: Tue Feb 06, 2018 1:31 pm
coaster wrote: Tue Feb 06, 2018 12:28 am
Doom Patrol wrote: Mon Feb 05, 2018 11:14 pm
................................then you've been very remiss. Sharp practice or not you have rested on your laurels.
I think that is pretty unfair, if the LCGB was run by a professional management team then maybe, but as with thousands of clubs up and down the country, it is run by a bunch of enthusiastic volunteers in between holding down full time jobs and raising families. None of them will have any idea about protecting copyright, they are the victims of a bit of sharp practice, technically legal possibly but sneaky at best. To suggest it is the LCGB's fault because they didn't envisage someone nipping in and grabbing something is just plain daft.

There seems to be a serious lack of objectivity in some people's arguments :(
Hang on. We've heard a lot about protecting the clubs heritage and how it rested on a moral defence, so people seem pretty clued up on it now. Especially when it comes to starting legal action. Although, I wouldn't be overly enthusiastic if, as you say, none of them have any idea what they are doing. Sorry if that sounds unfair, but it is basically the gist of it.
An unfair appraisal again I'd say, of course the LCGB are wise to it NOW and will no doubt be considering what else might need protecting against opportunistic (legal maybe) pirate attacks in the future. It seems nothing is sacred these days. from the support on here I would assume that he has some mates who will obviously defend him to the hilt. I have heard a lot of detrimental stuff about him but confess that I don't have any personal knowledge of his character so will await developments....that's me being objective ;)
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"I think that is pretty unfair, if the LCGB was run by a professional management team then maybe, but as with thousands of clubs up and down the country, it is run by a bunch of enthusiastic volunteers in between holding down full time jobs and raising families"

With £200 000 + in the bank maybe there should be some professionals on board.
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coaster wrote: Tue Feb 06, 2018 7:29 pm
Doom Patrol wrote: Tue Feb 06, 2018 1:31 pm
coaster wrote: Tue Feb 06, 2018 12:28 am

I think that is pretty unfair, if the LCGB was run by a professional management team then maybe, but as with thousands of clubs up and down the country, it is run by a bunch of enthusiastic volunteers in between holding down full time jobs and raising families. None of them will have any idea about protecting copyright, they are the victims of a bit of sharp practice, technically legal possibly but sneaky at best. To suggest it is the LCGB's fault because they didn't envisage someone nipping in and grabbing something is just plain daft.

There seems to be a serious lack of objectivity in some people's arguments :(
Hang on. We've heard a lot about protecting the clubs heritage and how it rested on a moral defence, so people seem pretty clued up on it now. Especially when it comes to starting legal action. Although, I wouldn't be overly enthusiastic if, as you say, none of them have any idea what they are doing. Sorry if that sounds unfair, but it is basically the gist of it.
An unfair appraisal again I'd say, of course the LCGB are wise to it NOW and will no doubt be considering what else might need protecting against opportunistic (legal maybe) pirate attacks in the future. It seems nothing is sacred these days. from the support on here I would assume that he has some mates who will obviously defend him to the hilt. I have heard a lot of detrimental stuff about him but confess that I don't have any personal knowledge of his character so will await developments....that's me being objective ;)
Oh, it's so unfair. You sound like a squawking teenager. As for being objective you go on to say you've heard a lot of detrimental stuff about him, which is obviously biasing the argument, and then claim to be objective. I don't think so.
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Doom Patrol wrote: Tue Feb 06, 2018 8:41 pm
Oh, it's so unfair. You sound like a squawking teenager. As for being objective you go on to say you've heard a lot of detrimental stuff about him, which is obviously biasing the argument, and then claim to be objective. I don't think so.
Quite nasty, I had thought we were having a civilised debate...silly me :roll: I said I had heard detrimental stuff, I didn't repeat it and don't intend to as I can't corroborate it and I'm prepared to be given evidence to the contrary. That is being objective. Is he a mate of yours or you just on board for an argument?

Oh and thanks for the compliment, its a long time since anyone called me a teenager :shock:
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If you found it nasty I apologise. But you do come over as a bit of a Kevin. No, I don't know him at all. I wouldn't know him if I stood next to him. He may intend to do the right thing, for all I know. But frankly (no pun intended) this repetitive character assassination isn't helping. And anyway, I've paid my £5.00...
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If certain people in the current LCGB committee hadn't alienated so many Lambretta enthusiasts over the recent years I doubt that BLOA as it is now would have got off the ground.

If the same people had made LCGB more welcoming and inclusive I also doubt BLOA as it is now would have got off the ground.

If the same people hadn't changed the way committee members are voted on and off the committee I doubt so many lambretta enthusiast would feel alienated and or excluded so BLOA as it is now probably wouldn't have got off the ground.

If the same people didn't make a habit of refusing hand shakes from people trying to offer an olive branch I doubt BLOA as it is now would have got off the ground.(happened to me 4 times in 2016 by 3 people on the committee, in fact i made sure I collected our clubs best turned out club award at one rally an hour after a certain person refusing to shake hands just to see if the same refusal would happen publicly by the same person handing out the trophies. (The person in question shook my hand with a camera pointing at him. This was at a rally before any argument on their forum)

If the LCGB had a chairman who actually got involved in LCGB affairs or even attended the AGM's or was contactable without the correspondence first passing through others I doubt BLOA as it is now would have got off the ground.

If the same people didn't tell members they are excluding from the club for spurious reasons that the chairman had stood down so not to contact him, even though in fact he hadn't stepped down, (My personal experience), I'm sure BLOA as it is now wouldn't have got off the ground.

If the same people took on board criticisms and listened to proposals offered by members at the AGM rather than banishing them or ridiculing them or even jumping on them in the toilets at the AGM I'm sure there would be more proposals offered at the AGM (non this year I hear) I'm sure BLOA as it is now wouldn't have got off the ground.

If the same people had some consistency regarding what maters to the LCGB from one year to the next I'm sure BLOA as it is wouldn't have got off the ground. (One example of this would be how for the previous 4 or 5 years the committee has stated at the AGM and elsewhere that the BSM is a very small part of the club and justified this by stating the small percentage of members that take part, yet this year claiming at the AGM that the BSM is a HUGE part of the LCGB and what it stands for)

If the same people didn't spread the word between their chosen ones where LCGB events are taking place before the events are announced to the members so that the average member had an equal chance of getting a room or ferry etc I'm sure that the people attending LCGB events wouldn't be always the same people and those not in the loop wouldn't be disappointed. (I know this happens as even I still knew all but one (Oban) of the LCGB rallies for 2018 before they were announced at the AGM)

Disjointed, delusional and down right disappointing. The Lambretta Club of Great Britain deserves better! Maybe BLOA will become what the LCGB should be!

Roll up all those who are, or have been taking perks to shoot me down.
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eden wrote:If certain people in the current LCGB committee hadn't alienated so many Lambretta enthusiasts over the recent years I doubt that BLOA as it is now would have got off the ground.

If the same people had made LCGB more welcoming and inclusive I also doubt BLOA as it is now would have got off the ground.

If the same people hadn't changed the way committee members are voted on and off the committee I doubt so many lambretta enthusiast would feel alienated and or excluded so BLOA as it is now probably wouldn't have got off the ground.

If the same people didn't make a habit of refusing hand shakes from people trying to offer an olive branch I doubt BLOA as it is now would have got off the ground.(happened to me 4 times in 2016 by 3 people on the committee, in fact i made sure I collected our clubs best turned out club award at one rally an hour after a certain person refusing to shake hands just to see if the same refusal would happen publicly by the same person handing out the trophies. (The person in question shook my hand with a camera pointing at him. This was at a rally before any argument on their forum)

If the LCGB had a chairman who actually got involved in LCGB affairs or even attended the AGM's or was contactable without the correspondence first passing through others I doubt BLOA as it is now would have got off the ground.

If the same people didn't tell members they are excluding from the club for spurious reasons that the chairman had stood down so not to contact him, even though in fact he hadn't stepped down, (My personal experience), I'm sure BLOA as it is now wouldn't have got off the ground.

If the same people took on board criticisms and listened to proposals offered by members at the AGM rather than banishing them or ridiculing them or even jumping on them in the toilets at the AGM I'm sure there would be more proposals offered at the AGM (non this year I hear) I'm sure BLOA as it is now wouldn't have got off the ground.

If the same people had some consistency regarding what maters to the LCGB from one year to the next I'm sure BLOA as it is wouldn't have got off the ground. (One example of this would be how for the previous 4 or 5 years the committee has stated at the AGM and elsewhere that the BSM is a very small part of the club and justified this by stating the small percentage of members that take part, yet this year claiming at the AGM that the BSM is a HUGE part of the LCGB and what it stands for)

If the same people didn't spread the word between their chosen ones where LCGB events are taking place before the events are announced to the members so that the average member had an equal chance of getting a room or ferry etc I'm sure that the people attending LCGB events wouldn't be always the same people and those not in the loop wouldn't be disappointed. (I know this happens as even I still knew all but one (Oban) of the LCGB rallies for 2018 before they were announced at the AGM)

Disjointed, delusional and down right disappointing. The Lambretta Club of Great Britain deserves better! Maybe BLOA will become what the LCGB should be!

Roll up all those who are, or have been taking perks to shoot me down.
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