Mugello 225 vs RT225

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HI all, i blew my mugello,(presumably an air leak from the head... ) now i am searching for a replacement... and i noticed with big surprise that the rt225 costs same as the muggy 225.

http://www.scooter-center.com/product/7 ... 0*1*1*1*16

http://www.scooter-center.com/product/B ... r*2*2*1*16

can anyone make a comparison between the 2? I used to like my Mugello but i've heard the the BGM gives 22hp straight out of the box? Is that possbile?
I would run either of them with the phbh 30 + Jl3 pipe.
Any info or opinion appreciated.

[Architecten]

23 according to this...

https://www.facebook.com/#!/media/set/? ... 864&type=1

[drunkmunkey6969]

23 according to this...

https://www.facebook.com/#!/media/set/? ... 864&type=1

The text in the link says with "This engine has had the MB Reed treatment on a 60mm crank and 225 kit"...... so we can presume its been stroked/ported/reed-converted. I don't think you'll see 23bhp 'out of the box'.

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23 according to this...

https://www.facebook.com/#!/media/set/? ... 864&type=1

The text in the link says with "This engine has had the MB Reed treatment on a 60mm crank and 225 kit"...... so we can presume its been stroked/ported/reed-converted. I don't think you'll see 23bhp 'out of the box'.

OK that sounds more reasonable... who would spend that much money for a mugello otherwise? They should sell it for half of the price to compete with the BGM..

[drunkmunkey6969]

OK that sounds more reasonable... who would spend that much money for a mugello otherwise? They should sell it for half of the price to compete with the BGM..

Not sure i follow you?

The link above to MBs site for marks write-up on the 60mm/reed-valve BGM-RT kit shows 23bhp in his text, so that would be the cost of an RT kit @ £440, plus the reed-valve @ £150 plus MB Labour for the conversion @ £180. Total:770 ???

A Muggello 225 is £425: http://www.lambretta.co.uk/shop/mugello ... -3177.html

[drunkmunkey6969]

My opinion on the RT225 kit, is that it should be taken for what it is: A high quality-component, touring kit, which returns excellent MPG and good touring based performance, and the RRp is VERY reasonable in my opinion.

All this talk of, will it beat a TS1, is it faster than an RB, will it outperform XYZ kit is just rubbish.

If i wanted a reed valve kit for touring, i'd buy a TS1.....i wouldn't buy an Rt kit at the same price, and then pay £150+£180 to have it converted to......a TS1 style cylinder.

Like I say.....RT 195/225 kits, perfect for touring, good value for money out of the box, great MPG out of the box, good performance out of the box, good RRP. Its not a TS1, its not an RB, its not a Mugello. Its a BGM-RT kit.

To try and help answer your question, if performance was the 'higher-balance' of your priorities, for an untouched-out of the box kit, strictly choosing between RT and Mugello, i'd go for Mugello. If however quality components and MPG were higher in the balance of requirements, then i'd go for the RT.

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OK that sounds more reasonable... who would spend that much money for a mugello otherwise? They should sell it for half of the price to compete with the BGM..

Not sure i follow you?

The link above to MBs site for marks write-up on the 60mm/reed-valve BGM-RT kit shows 23bhp in his text, so that would be the cost of an RT kit @ £440, plus the reed-valve @ £150 plus MB Labour for the conversion @ £180. Total:770 ???

A Muggello 225 is £425: http://www.lambretta.co.uk/shop/mugello ... -3177.html

Not talking about the facebook page link, i'm talking about the 2 scooter center links that i posted in the beginning. I've heard that RT225 has plenty of more power out of the box (some says 22hp) than the Mugello that on equal set up has been dynoed for 12hp. I wanted to know if those values are true and if the quality/price/power ratio between the 2 kits is reasonable or not. In other words would anyone buy a mugello for the same price of a RT?

[drunkmunkey6969]

Not talking about the facebook page link, i'm talking about the 2 scooter center links that i posted in the beginning. I've heard that RT225 has plenty of more power out of the box (some says 22hp) than the Mugello that on equal set up has been dynoed for 12hp. I wanted to know if those values are true and if the quality/price/power ratio between the 2 kits is reasonable or not. In other words would anyone buy a mugello for the same price of a RT?

Well if Mark gets 23bhp out of a long-stroke, reed-converted, ported kit.....what do you think an untouched, piston-port, 58/110 BGM-RT kit will produce? Significantly less i'd say.

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To try and help answer your question, if performance was the 'higher-balance' of your priorities, for an untouched-out of the box kit, strictly choosing between RT and Mugello, i'd go for Mugello. If however quality components and MPG were higher in the balance of requirements, then i'd go for the RT.

Thanks that's exactly what i wanted to know. My Mugello could reach quickly 120kmh and pull really well through the rev range, i was really happy with that so i think im going to re-crome mine and save some money (very little indeed). Only real minus compared with the RT is the RT's 100% anti-leakage head that looks very well made.

Well if Mark gets 23bhp out of a long-stroke, reed-converted, ported kit.....what do you think an untouched, piston-port, 58/110 BGM-RT kit will produce? Significantly less i'd say.

Agree with you, on the Scooter Center RT page though there's no mention of reed valve conversion nor long stroke, they just say:
Giving around 18-24 hp with 28/30 mm carb and Dev-Tour exhaust

[mickjr]

RT is a basic cylinder kit,but once you have it,you can get anything done to it,touring fast road or race stage 8 tune, extra boost ports, reed or no reed LC 225CC up to 250cc+.
quality piece of workmanship, nice cnc head