Name change- British Lambretta Owners Association Club

[wintermod65]

Nic, I don't know you but I think it's about time now you just STFU. you're not adding value now. this is getting beyond any sense. LCGB need to engage with Mr F. not the other way around. the LCGB are the ones who have an issue, not the other way round. whatever the moral issue is. Mr F is not legally in the wrong

on what basis do you come to this conclusion if mr frankland has infringed copyright or incited others to do so there may be a case to to answer thats what the legal experts will determine there is no moral issue at play . nic has stated he served on the LCGB Committee i dare say his insight in this regard is greater than mine its also highly likely he may be in communication with those that have a closer handle on whats going on than rank an file members because of his network of people he knows .

[Nic]

Nic, I don't know you but I think it's about time now you just STFU. you're not adding value now. this is getting beyond any sense. LCGB need to engage with Mr F. not the other way around. the LCGB are the ones who have an issue, not the other way round. whatever the moral issue is. Mr F is not legally in the wrong

I'm glad you think GF is "not legally in the wrong". I'll skip past the irony of someone who questions my right to suggest that the LCGB has a "pretty much unanswerable case" - based in my case on barrister's advice - but feels free to make a statement like yours, based on no legal advice at all.

Obviously you know more than the brief who advised the LCGB. Hats off to you

[Nic]

So it's been declared today that they are in legal talks. So why spend £7k with someone who didn't offer legal advise in the last 14 or so months? Or has someone bought a new kitchen?? Just thinking out aloud.....

Based on your comments above I'm not entirely sure thinking aloud is your forte, dude.

The impression being given is that depending on your response the "legal talks" are over and the LCGB will see you in Court. You still have an opportunity to resolve this.

am i right in thinking any impending Legal action is as a result of alleged unauthourised use of the MK designs ?
as the recent name change to BLOC has not been amended on the trademark appication on the IPO site and that apllication is still showing opposed with no reference to any forthcoming hearing .

can you tell me where on the LCGB forum the announcement has bee made nic ,
i still feel the LCGB should attempt to win their case for many of the reasons ive posted previously however a certain degree magnanimity in victory would be positive force in the battle for the hearts and minds of the lambretta owning community an may silence a few of the LCGB haters

Hiya. I think there's a thread in the Members Chit Chat section. I can't remember what it's called.
I totally get your point about being magnanimous. I have no problem with any club that wants to set itself up to offer a different experience to the scootering community. I just think it needs to be distinct from the LCGBs historic BLOA name in order to avoid any confusion among potential supporters of both clubs

[Gavin J Frankland]

Anything to do with a government comes at a price and a time scale. IPO trademarks or copyrights, companies house etc etc. You have something in your name and you let the timescale lapse that's your problem. If someone else gets it that's not their fault. Nothing illegal. It doesn't matter if you think about morals as from an outsider no one gives a s**t about it. I may stress again, I've never received any legal documents or any knocks at my door from the police. So knock this legal rubbish on the head. What they are getting advise about in the last year is beyond me. I don't think for a second any other companies are reading this, more fun watching grass grow.
Long live "British Lambretta owners club" and all who sail with her...

[Nic]

Anything to do with a government comes at a price and a time scale. IPO trademarks or copyrights, companies house etc etc. You have something in your name and you let the timescale lapse that's your problem. If someone else gets it that's not their fault. Nothing illegal. It doesn't matter if you think about morals as from an outsider no one gives a s**t about it. I may stress again, I've never received any legal documents or any knocks at my door from the police. So knock this legal rubbish on the head. What they are getting advise about in the last year is beyond me. I don't think for a second any other companies are reading this, more fun watching grass grow.
Long live "British Lambretta owners club" and all who sail with her...

Another democratically-decided name change?

With a name that is nearly identical to BLOA, a shield design that is almost identical to Mike Karslake's designs, a white-on-blue background which pretty much replicates his own copyright and a font which looks pretty much the same as his to the naked eye? That'll do the trick..

As for the rest of your comments, I'm not sure you quite understand how this legal thingie works and what happens next. No worries.

[Timbo]

Ultimately, however, it doesn't matter one bit what we think. In the opinion of a barrister who specialises in this area of the law the LCGB has a pretty much unanswerable case for the retention of a copyright assigned to it.

Your saying the barrister didn’t actually say this, but that it’s your opinion? So was this another blatant lie?

I'm sure we will find out in due course

As we already have on several things you have lied/made up ...

[mick1]

To save me trawling through previous posts and threads, what are the lies and made up statements ?

Ta

[wintermod65]

Anything to do with a government comes at a price and a time scale. IPO trademarks or copyrights, companies house etc etc. You have something in your name and you let the timescale lapse that's your problem. If someone else gets it that's not their fault. Nothing illegal. It doesn't matter if you think about morals as from an outsider no one gives a s**t about it. I may stress again, I've never received any legal documents or any knocks at my door from the police. So knock this legal rubbish on the head. What they are getting advise about in the last year is beyond me. I don't think for a second any other companies are reading this, more fun watching grass grow.
Long live "British Lambretta owners club" and all who sail with her...

Another democratically-decided name change?

With a name that is nearly identical to BLOA, a shield design that is almost identical to Mike Karslake's designs, a white-on-blue background which pretty much replicates his own copyright and a font which looks pretty much the same as his to the naked eye? That'll do the trick..

As for the rest of your comments, I'm not sure you quite understand how this legal thingie works and what happens next. No worries.

according to the poll on the BLOC fb page 81 people voted for it thats 81 out of the 1900 on the page.

but lets face it unless its for some celebritydogshit contest people cant be arsed to vote for who runs the country so getting them to show support for scooter relayed issues is equally difficult it would appear whether LCGB or BLOC.

i think mr frankland is just trying to bait you nic to curry favour with the coalition of the dissaffected who joined his site to stick it to the LCGB . theres no point rising to it otherwise we might as well all resort to posting big fat elephants fanny or some other viz like retort everytime
i think its inconceivable that some notifiction of the trademark objection would not be received by an applicant but an amendment to the original application will no doubt incur cost and take time and therefore any further objections will extend the process also.

i cant understand the continued use of a logo that isnt subject to the trademark application made it just defies logic. at best its just lazy and lacking in originality and at worst it is provocative and a backward step in resolving this issue.

im sure the LCGB will say its not responsible for choosing other club names or emblems but it probably needs to come some way and outline what is acceptable theres only so many ways of expressing belong to a certain vehicle owners group but lets hope the silliness stops and this pythonesque "peoples front of judea" type farce can be resolved
we are all going to have to live with the fact another lambretta enthusiasts group has sprung up and chances are there could be more along the way too .Lambretta interest is a broad church which should be mature enough for mutual coexistance without having to resort to wind up tactics which are undignified and petty.

for me the crux of the thing is i dont see why someone would start down the whole trademark route for a scooter club in the first place unless they anticipated a backlash or challenge to its existance lets face it who else when they got together with a bunch of mates a formed a scooter club has elected to choose this option nobody i know or have talked to thats for sure

[Gavin J Frankland]

Nic, lambretta font is owned by Lambretta licensing. It was once owned by innocenti. Is it sinking in yet? The words "nearly" doesn't cut a deal. Try making a legal claim in court on a neary. For example, he nearly crashed into me so I'm claiming against his insurance. The other comment about percentages on a name change vote, this is proof who actually cares.

[Gavin J Frankland]

As for colour, there is no mention of colour. As all know it came in green, light blue and dark blue.