LCGB - BLOA - Concessionaires......confusion

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Fri Mar 09, 2018 12:04 pm

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Multi page scathing report by the LCGB in this months Jetset, all seems to be going just a little to far now.
Agree, just read mine and couldn't believe how desperate it all sounded. Pathetic waste of pages.

One interesting thing is that in the report the LCGB repeatedly inserted comments, quotes and printed documents from Mike Karslake, which repeatedly stated all copyright to BLOA remained his and LCGB just had exclusive rights. Therefore surely the ONLY persons legally entitled to challenge any copyright infringements today (if there are any) is Karslakes next of kin? Effectively, the printed quotes from Karslake show the LCGB to be nothing more than an authorised licensee. So not legally their position to challenge the copyright status...only his, or his next of kin?

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Fri Mar 09, 2018 12:31 pm

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Sun Mar 11, 2018 1:35 am

Not what I read in the Jetset I got, but the LCGB haters are slowly crawling out.

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Sun Mar 11, 2018 10:26 am

Read most of it too, the LCGB mean business for sure, they're not going to let this go. I've tried to decipher IP rights and it's not totally clear how this will go, however the LCGB have a raft of supporting evidence and it doesn't look good for the BLOA. LCGB could recover all their costs and so LCGB members worried about spending thousands on legal action may be reassured by that, especially if the LCGB push for full recompense, which I'm sure the members worried about the expense would expect them to do.

On the other hand the person making the alleged infringement could lose thousands in costs, it's a serious situation. Okay, the Sywell T-shirts may become a rare collectors item one day but may remind us that if we do something similar the consequences are financially frightening.

I suppose that's what can happen if you 'poke the bear'.

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Sun Mar 11, 2018 2:01 pm

Well, if they do get their way and crush the BLOA then I hope they are pleased with themselves. Right or wrong there aren't going to be any winners in this. I think there is going to leave a nasty taste in a lot of people's mouths.

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Sun Mar 11, 2018 3:55 pm

Doom Patrol wrote:
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Well, if they do get their way and crush the BLOA then I hope they are pleased with themselves. Right or wrong there aren't going to be any winners in this. I think there is going to leave a nasty taste in a lot of people's mouths.
Crush what???? As far as I can see, the only thing the LCGB are doing is protecting the BLOA name. They aren't trying to prevent another club ( actually a Ltd company) being set up so all that has to happen here is Gavin Frankland needs to withdraw from the use of the BLOA name and use a little imagination to come up with an original name for his business. Everybody happy then surely?

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Sun Mar 11, 2018 4:22 pm

That might be all that needs to happen. But I doubt it will be quite as straight forward as that. I haven't got my Jet Set in the post yet, so I can't comment on the tone of the article. But I get the feeling they want their pound of flesh.

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Sun Mar 11, 2018 8:55 pm

Trademarks last 10 years from registration and if not renewed are then no longer protected.
Copyright lasts until the death of the person and thereafter for 70 years.
So this hinges on whether it’s contravening trademark or copyright law does it not?
I don’t know as I’am not an expert but there are many legal experts that specialise in this field and I’m sure the concerned parties will engage legal experts that actually specialise in the law regarding this.
Anyway I’ve applied to join BLOA as I like the cut of their jib!

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Mon Mar 12, 2018 12:36 pm

nastro azzurro wrote:
Sun Mar 11, 2018 8:55 pm
Trademarks last 10 years from registration and if not renewed are then no longer protected.
Copyright lasts until the death of the person and thereafter for 70 years.
So this hinges on whether it’s contravening trademark or copyright law does it not?
I don’t know as I’am not an expert but there are many legal experts that specialise in this field and I’m sure the concerned parties will engage legal experts that actually specialise in the law regarding this.
Anyway I’ve applied to join BLOA as I like the cut of their jib!
I've already joined Gav, I'm all in, it's just this name thing that's putting me off a bit.

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Wed Mar 14, 2018 10:20 pm

Righty O, back again. Just a quick note from Gavin. "There is no case, IPO Cancellation no OP000408980 removes section 5(1), 5(2)(a)and (b) and 5 (3) which in our terms is any trademark or copyright grounds. The LCGB knew this on the 11th January 2018 and still went ahead at the AGM and put into print in the current issue of Jetset a right load of twoddle. We are going to do this and that...impossible. The case is closed. The only thing still going on is section 3 (3)(a) and (B), this section isn't in hard print but in pen. It basically says, how can an individual take up a name and use it and deceive people .That's it...... I recently got sent a letter from the IPO stating that someone wanted to use the wording Lambretta in there products, because I am recognized with the IPO they made contact with me to see if I wanted to oppose it, which of course I didn't. Also noted is on the 22nd February Ebay cancelled all of the BLOA items for sale by the LCGB on ebay as it was an infringement of copyright. For them to act on this you must supply evidence for your claim, that I did and that was the result. It does seem strange that people that was around in 1978 have joined BLOA, 100% behind it. This club has nothing to do with the LCGB, different style of club, run by the club. When you start to dig deeper you start to find out what actually happened, not what people who have recently joined the scene think or thought they knew. We are talking 30 years +Lambretta ownership. I deal in facts not fiction. 1978 is the key here. I have no issues with the LCGB, no need to. We as a club are quite happy doing our own thing in a way we all like, we all speak for ourselves on any issues. If people can't see fact from fiction that isn't really our fault, sorry but that's how it is, Bonjour "

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