EU, in or out?

[10 inch Terror]

http://www.standard.co.uk/news/politics ... 69176.html
Nice.

[HxPaul]

We are being told about a problem, blaming Europe for all of it when only 50% of the issue is EU related, leaving Europe won't solve the immigration problem.

Maybe not,but by your own admission it would solve half the problem at a stroke.

[Meds]

No it wouldn't and you missed the point completly,
The BREXIT camp have no strategy to deal with immigration, they are telling you about a problem, not providing a solution.
We can't deal with the 188000 that have no right to be here, how are they going to deal with another 184000 When they don't have any practical solutions to deal with the current problem

[HxPaul]

Sorry,what is the point?You say that 50% of the problem is EU related,if you leave EU this 50% no longer presents a problem.

[Meds]

ha ha nice try.

[diesel]

Free travel will more than likely be a part of any post brexit trade agreement with the EU so you're still going to have the EU element of your perceived immigration problem. The point being made that you appear unable to comprehend is that the non-EU element of your perceived immigration problem is already totally within British control yet your government are unable or unwilling to deal with it, leaving the EU will have no affect whatever on immigration, yet for some reason it seems to be the prime motivation for pro-leave voters.

[HxPaul]

There it is again!All of the point that your trying to make relies on the supposition that "free travel will more than likely be a part of any post brexit trade agreement with the EU"

[Meds]

My point has nothing to do with free travel/access
My point is
188000 that we won't/can't/don't want to deal with
184000 that Brexit thinks will suddenly disappear if we leave the EU, they won't disappear, they will join the
188000 that we won't/cant/don't want to deal with
Brexit strategy
188000 we can deport, ignore them as we haven't put forward how to deal with them.
184000 from the EU, if we leave they will all go away.
Reality
188000 still entering illegals
184000 from the EU with passports still entering the UK being employed by British company's, run by British people
End result no change or to put in Brexit terms sponging off our welfare state. ( must mention that the next time my local VAT registered TAX paying polish plumber turns up to do a job for me as opposed to our glorious TAX dodging Tory leadership who aren't breaking any laws telling me they are what's wrong with the country)
Can't explain it any clearer than that

Free access is a likely outcome, bearing in mind all non EU member states have this is part of the free trade agreement.
free Travel will always be there
If Free Travel isn't, then the ground rules have changed again, didn't realise we were voting for isolation from the rest of the world.

[HxPaul]

Free access is a likely outcome, bearing in mind all non EU member states have this is part of the free trade agreement.
free Travel will always be there
If Free Travel isn't, then the ground rules have changed again, didn't realise we were voting for isolation from the rest of the world.

America,Canada,Australia,India, brazil,China etc.Are non EU members,I dont think they can be called isolationist.To reinforce your point everything you've said has something to do with the EU,please realise that if we vote to leave the EU we will be in exactly the same position as the afore mentioned countries.

[Meds]

So let's get this right.
You are saying they if we leave the EU we will be in the same boat as America, canada, Vietnam, Cambodia, India etc.
With no free people access and no trade barriers.